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Einsam_Delphin said:
FloatingWaffles said:

Sure, maybe Japan will support it a lot but it's going to be another Wii U level of third party support yet again. 

 

That sentence is contradictory, Japanese support means it wont be Wii U levels of third party support a.k.a. none at all besides partnerships.

Also to your response to me, I feel Nintendo systems are bought almost entirely for Nintendo games, so third party games, while they can still sell well, are probably gonna sell significantly worse than their PS/XB counterparts as those systems are known for third party games which gel with the generally mature/gritty first party offerings and already have established Call of Duty, Fifa, etc. fanbases on them. If this rumor is true then it means Nintendo has realized this and instead of focusing on making a better ecosystem for third partys they're making a better ecosystem for Nintendo games.

You're right, my bad. What I mean by that is sure the NX will probably get Japan support as in the usual games like Monster Hunter, Yokai Watch, etc, etc but aside from the ones you can expect like that it will be Wii U level again where it is missing all the big third party releases etc. I don't see Battlefield 1 releasing on it or anything like that.

And I don't like the type of thinking of "Well PS and Xbox are more known for third party games" because once again that is Nintendo's own fault as they always mess something up and give developers a reason not to support their systems.  Nintendo could have a console where it is known for them to get third party support as well, but it won't be the NX because once again they're going to be severely underpowered.

We'll just have to see how this plays out. (If it's true, I mean. It could all be completely wrong, we'll just have to see when Nintendo finally reveals the NX themselves). I hope the best for Nintendo, but i'm just truly dissapointed in this if it ends up being true.



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Tlozjb said:

He is clearly talking about a home console, or in the case of looking at the rumor, a primarily home console hybrid.  He doensn't try to dismiss the idea of NX being a home console, he just says it isn't the successor to the Wii U, therefore not a "Wii 3", but it is clear that it is primarily a home console, but because of the hybrid concept, not a "pure replacement for the Wii U"

 

Again, you're the one using the word primarily, not Nintendo, but it doesn't really matter if they say it or not, an up to par (hence primarily) home console that's also portable is pretty much impossible without being uber expensive.



How exactly would a 'unified library' equal more games? Like if it isnt powerful, then would developers just make 'handheld' games, and put their 'console' games on other systems?



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Sounds...different. Not in a bad sense, actually.



Just wanted to chip this in before stuff gets too lost. Just to preface LCGeek is the one who leaked Wii and Wii U specs and recently said that the CPU in NX was better than the ones in PS4 and XB1. Posted in the NeoGaf thread but that thread moves quickly.

LCGeek

"So I wake up this morning to this, been working and doing chores mostly just can't ignore now...........

First malo gets some credit for being accurate. With that being said no I'm not backing down on cpu comments as I was talking about power performance not what chipset it's using. What should be mentioned is that the nvidia rumor in may were far more accurate than what we are hearing about amd's supposed involvement. AMD rumors are not mine and have never been mine, I'm still skeptical and even more skeptical about sku considering it seems to be a mishmash of exotic parts which I called out in private messages to two other gaffers.

I'm still waiting for some to explain the porting rumors cause while it's clear to me some of the tech in the device is no slouch its paper specs can't make a full claim it's better than X1, performance is another matter depending on what nintendo is actually using. Seems nintendo is vastly upgrading their networking tech and I won't name certain gaffer names but whoever was talking about the streaming tech being a big feature they are more accurate than anyone else I've seen in general talking about this system. Powerwise until nintendo puts a damn retail unit out and we can examine I don't care to talk about it that much except to say it will be definitely not be a power monster and far more efficient/feature rich console, which even for nintendo is a stepup for WiiU.

If people want to step on me just go back to certain threads most was hypothetical talk I never moved off my own goal posts or my own actual ideas I just commented on the clear crap that has yet to pan out. For one side of the debate, you may want to investigate if nintendo is doing multiple skus at this point it's either that or they literally just decided what they are going with, which is a danger I warned about.. Emily has been semi accurate on some parts and dead wrong on others, but I do wish to know what the port talk was about if the performance isn't gonna be there. Cause that alone is just straight talking out the ass as we still don't know what devs and what games those comments were being based on."

Oh yeah he linked to this http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1218933&page=23 the SemiAccurate article about Nvidia Tegra SoC thread.



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Arminillo said:
How exactly would a 'unified library' equal more games? Like if it isnt powerful, then would developers just make 'handheld' games, and put their 'console' games on other systems?

Think of the Wii U and 3DS librarys.

The NX is one system that ll play both types. Thats why a unified library equals more games.

It wont be like with the wii u and tons of game droughts, while the 3ds got some games (which didnt benefit the wii u owners).



JRPGfan said:
Arminillo said:
How exactly would a 'unified library' equal more games? Like if it isnt powerful, then would developers just make 'handheld' games, and put their 'console' games on other systems?

Think of the Wii U and 3DS librarys.

The NX is one system that ll play both types. Thats why a unified library equals more games.

It wont be like with the wii u and tons of game droughts, while the 3ds got some games (which didnt benefit the wii u owners).

But wont games with lesser graphic fidelity or size which are accepted on handhelds not find an audience willing to pay the same price as a game on the console that is like Breath of the Wild? Leading to developers either, developing less, but higher quality games? Or just less, but still crap /



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FloatingWaffles said:

You're right, my bad. What I mean by that is sure the NX will probably get Japan support as in the usual games like Monster Hunter, Yokai Watch, etc, etc but aside from the ones you can expect like that it will be Wii U level again where it is missing all the big third party releases etc. I don't see Battlefield 1 releasing on it or anything like that.

And I don't like the type of thinking of "Well PS and Xbox are more known for third party games" because once again that is Nintendo's own fault as they always mess something up and give developers a reason not to support their systems.  Nintendo could have a console where it is known for them to get third party support as well, but it won't be the NX because once again they're going to be severely underpowered.

We'll just have to see how this plays out. (If it's true, I mean. It could all be completely wrong, we'll just have to see when Nintendo finally reveals the NX themselves). I hope the best for Nintendo, but i'm just truly dissapointed in this if it ends up being true.

 

Big western games sure, but we already have Sonic 2017 confirmed, and maybe Square will bring some of it's big guns over.

Yep Nintendo done fucked up, but that doesn't make it any less true. The NES/SNES days where they had all the third party by default are long gone. Now they'd have to work for it, and a powerful console alone isn't even half the battle, as Wii U didn't even get PS3/360 ports. To be known for third party games they would need to go out of their way making games that appeal to the same audiences third party games do like Sony and Microsoft to ensure that they have people who'll buy these games on their platform. Needless to say, that's never gonna happen, so Nintendo will never again be known for having third party (unless Sony/Microsoft explode). Definitely not ideal, but not the end of the world either. Nintendo just has to accept that reality and roll with it.

Why though? I mean, if you just want third party, there's already plenty of systems for that, I don't see why Nintendo absolutely has to be yet another.



Einsam_Delphin said:

Big western games sure, but we already have Sonic 2017 confirmed, and maybe Square will bring some of it's big guns over.

Yep Nintendo done fucked up, but that doesn't make it any less true. The NES/SNES days where they had all the third party by default are long gone. Now they'd have to work for it, and a powerful console alone isn't even half the battle, as Wii U didn't even get PS3/360 ports. To be known for third party games they would need to go out of their way making games that appeal to the same audiences third party games do like Sony and Microsoft to ensure that they have people who'll buy these games on their platform. Needless to say, that's never gonna happen, so Nintendo will never again be known for having third party (unless Sony/Microsoft explode). Definitely not ideal, but not the end of the world either. Nintendo just has to accept that reality and roll with it.

Why though? I mean, if you just want third party, there's already plenty of systems for that, I don't see why Nintendo absolutely has to be yet another.

Ive seen quite a few people complain about Nintendo not making a console that will get 3rd party support. I would like to think that these are all people who are for Nintendo going 3rd party because what they are asking for is basically a PS4 with Nintendo games. 

And yeah Nintendo cant just make a PS4 and magically start recieving the same 3rd party support.



Oh and as for the whole networking thing(in relation to LCGeek's post), it could be related to this;

http://abload.de/img/14c8185-1slu6x.png



But I'm not even sure how this could work and especially in an environment where you're out and about with the handheld part.