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SpokenTruth said:
Angry that you are being asked to stop being an asshole toward others?

So you feel that the indignity that you perpetuate upon others is irrelevant to your desire to bask in your own self aggrandizement? Glad to know it.

The thing is you can't just project your own opinion onto some scenario as if it is the truth. He is not an asshole just because he uses different words to conversate.



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I could make a long post about why what you are saying makes no sense, but you already made it for me, so I don't have to. Thanks for sparing me the effort.



John2290 said:
SpokenTruth said:
Angry that you are being asked to stop being an asshole toward others?

So you feel that the indignity that you perpetuate upon others is irrelevant to your desire to bask in your own self aggrandizement? Glad to know it.

Angry that its getting so ridiculous there are shooting and terrorist attacks every day but the thing we are focusing on here in western "society" is if we should change the stick man and woman on our toilets. Laws are being put into place so that teachers are breaking the law if they call their students "girl, woman or ladies", there is now a graph of gender pro-nouns that we have to use correctly in the workplace. Can you imagine if this ammount of PC was introduced so quickly in the 60-70s in the US under the current laws...it wouldn't fit, just like this doesn't fit, just like these LGBT people don't fit no matter how hard they try. Stop trying to fit in forcefully and just go with the flow, people will despise you less. 

What are you talking about? Where don't LGBT people fit? Personally, I think it makes more sense to blame the people who "despise" groups of people than it does to blame groups of people they despise.

 

Also, lucky for us that we have the capacity to focus on more than one thing at a time. So we can deal with security, and domestic issues at the same time.



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John2290 said:

 

It is so damn bizzare I'm starting to wonder if the Soviets won some sort of exagerated, long game and actually managed to take Marxism and its stemming interpretations [Which are so cool btw :D #SocialismFTW] and weaponize it to slowly degrade any meaningful back and fourth from the worlds level headed liberals, conservatives and everything inbetween, to utter trivial nonsense.

I have no idea how Marxism has anything to do with what you are trying to convey here.



WolfpackN64 said:
John2290 said:

 

It is so damn bizzare I'm starting to wonder if the Soviets won some sort of exagerated, long game and actually managed to take Marxism and its stemming interpretations [Which are so cool btw :D #SocialismFTW] and weaponize it to slowly degrade any meaningful back and fourth from the worlds level headed liberals, conservatives and everything inbetween, to utter trivial nonsense.

I have no idea how Marxism has anything to do with what you are trying to convey here.

I was just thinking the same thing?



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John2290 said:
Normchacho said:

What are you talking about? Where don't LGBT people fit? Personally, I think it makes more sense to blame the people who "despise" groups of people than it does to blame groups of people they despise.

 

Also, lucky for us that we have the capacity to focus on more than one thing at a time. So we can deal with security, and domestic issues at the same time.

Oh really? You think putting up the LGBT/gender meshing crowd as the current face of western society is a good idea to the people who are trying to blow up Europe one piece at a time is a good idea? You think not focusing on the actual peoples welfare (migrants and all) instead of their gender is first on the to do list? Anyway, you are proving my growing suspicion that a soviet cold war mind fuck worked on the west and we are slowly but obendiently sleep walking off a cliff.  I'm aware of how ridiculous that sounds but what sounds more ridiculous is a teacher not being able to call there students "girl, lady, madam or woman" under penalty of law. Trump is more ridiculous. Stutnex is more ridiculous. Turkey's "security measures" are more ridiculous. The Brexit is more ridiculous. And above all, this pronoun list is insane... 

As a Marxist, I can tell you socio-economic problems are always at the forefront (as they also were in the Soviet Union). The economic structure is the foundation of society on which culture is built. The economy keeps its culture standing and the culture tries to keep the economic model in place. It seems you care about welfare (which is extremely important as to the material base of people), but you seem to reverse your stance on culture to the dominant culture that keeps in place discrimination and unequal acces to welfare as well as makes LGTB emancipation more complex then it should be.

Don't forget, while economic structures are important, if you don't try to change the culture as well (as Gramsci knew), you'll be running against a brick wall.

That's what I think you're going after, but you seem a bit confused to be honest.



SpokenTruth said:
Areaz32 said:

The thing is you can't just project your own opinion onto some scenario as if it is the truth. He is not an asshole just because he uses different words to conversate.

He's an asshole if the words he uses are done so knowing they are derrogatory, denigrating and abusive.

If I call you something you don't like and I know you don't like it, I'm intentionally being an asshole to you.

And my point is you can't project your own understanding that the words are used in a derrogatory/abusive fashion.

How would i know if you did it to spite me?



John2290 said:
SpokenTruth said:
Angry that you are being asked to stop being an asshole toward others?

So you feel that the indignity that you perpetuate upon others is irrelevant to your desire to bask in your own self aggrandizement? Glad to know it.

Angry that its getting so ridiculous there are shooting and terrorist attacks every day but the thing we are focusing on here in western "society" is if we should change the stick man and woman on our toilets. Laws are being put into place so that teachers are breaking the law if they call their students "girl, woman or ladies", there is now a  massive graph of gender pro-nouns (that are offensive to the ears) that we have to use correctly in the workplace. Can you imagine if this ammount of PC was introduced so quickly in the 60-70s in the US under the current laws...it wouldn't fit, just like this doesn't fit, just like these LGBT people don't fit no matter how hard they try. Stop trying to fit in forcefully and just go with the flow, people will despise you less. 

And there I thought I was fitting in here



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I think I kind of get what the OP is saying, but i have a different way of looking at it.

The way I see it is, humanity has had some problems / issues / concerns that have existed for millennia. Terror under any guise, be it freedom fighters, people motivated by misunderstanding a religion, politics, land, greed etc. Problems surrounding this issue haven't changed and ate usually met with more violence as history shows - we fight violence with violence as an answer to any forum of terrorism.

There is little thought in the above as naturally we humans are hunters, we naturally like to claim territory, new alpha etc. It is us at our most primal and this method has always been a constant.

Now with being PC, using correct terminology, figuring out what is right and wrong, sexuality, even something which some consider as simple as morals, these things are all variables. The goal posts are constantly shifting and so are the rules. Then you add certain sciences to the equation and you have even more changes and variables and nothing can be addressed with what our default solutions / primal instincts. So to ensure we don't just burst out killing each other over a dozen differences e.g.

Muslims vs non Muslims - winner goes on to --->
White vs others - winner goes on to --->
Straight vs non straight - winner goes on to --->
Gender fluid vs non gender fluid - winner goes on to.... And so it goes on, maybe with more than one battle at a time.

I think the idea is to try create some form of rules / regulations that either tries to stop or prolong the inevitable - humanity in its groups and camps to stop try fighting / killing one another.

We are obviously bad at this. We don't know where it's enough or where we have gone to far. Some will like it others won't. Some will like it until it works against them. We aren't easily pleased.

IMO, this is classic cause and affect as a result of things we have been doing to one another over the decades, centuries and millenia.

I'll give one example that I came across. Growing up I had a lot of black friends and some which were half black and half white. In those days we used the term halfcast, everyone did. Then we were told we shouldn't and the term to actually use is mixed race. So everyone used. No one had a problem with either. Then about a decade later I found out its racist to use either term, the term to use is dual heritage. Last year, i met the politician who told me off and I brought it up. We always have been on good terms and I've learnt a lot from her. I asked her a simple question, has any of the terminology helped black or dual heritage people? My brother is gay and when we were kids we would use the word gay as a way of taunting someone. The older generation used it to define happy and now it can be used as any of the 3. At the end of the day many words or terms mean very little until you apply context. Unfortunately, as many terms as we create and as often as we change them, mostly we fail to achieve our goals as the actions and intentions aren't there to support it and in the end the words and terms lose their power.

Sorry for the long post but thought i add my two cents.



TruckOSaurus said:
John2290 said:

Angry that its getting so ridiculous there are shooting and terrorist attacks every day but the thing we are focusing on here in western "society" is if we should change the stick man and woman on our toilets. Laws are being put into place so that teachers are breaking the law if they call their students "girl, woman or ladies", there is now a  massive graph of gender pro-nouns (that are offensive to the ears) that we have to use correctly in the workplace. Can you imagine if this ammount of PC was introduced so quickly in the 60-70s in the US under the current laws...it wouldn't fit, just like this doesn't fit, just like these LGBT people don't fit no matter how hard they try. Stop trying to fit in forcefully and just go with the flow, people will despise you less. 

And there I thought I was fitting in here

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