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DonFerrari said:
CosmicSex said:

Do you really need a juge or investigation to tell you that unarmed people laying on the ground should not be shot at?

I don't know who you are, but if you, Don, are laying on the ground, and a cop shoots you, thats not okay with me no matter what.  No charges were filed against either individual.  I know you want they to be seen as thugs for being black lol /jk... unless thats how you feel then screw you lol.  But seriously cops are not public executioners.  They are public servants and that means protecting people like that kid who have autism and his caretaker. 

Basically, I am saying that of course we want in investigation, but we need to at least be able to reconize that unarmed people sitting/laying on the ground should not be shot at by cops.  The first thing that pops into my head is what would have happened to that autistic boy if his caretaker wasn't there? I think the caretaker was very brave doing what he did (actually taking a bullet for his patient).  Obviously the cop didn't have the proper training.  If you don't feel at least a little sick when the cop said he was aiming for the autistic boy... check you pulse, you may be dead.

Yes I need investigation before forming opinion, I do believe in "inocent until proven contrary".

Yes officers aren't executioners, but they also aren't villain. So before considering then guilty or saying "it wasn't anything" I preffer to wait. And just so you see, there were an update on the case and the victm wasn't laying. So there may be a lot more information we don't know that can make it more towards an acceptable mistake (that needs retrain and sanctions) or imprudence or crime (and acting accordingly).

If the authistic boy would be presenting risk to others or himself it would be the duty of the officer to protect all (even if it means shooting someone). Authistic and psycopats are both mentally ill in some manner (I'm not comparing their diseases or intentions) so being ill shouldn't prevent an officer to act as needed.

Okay so this story has evolved and not multiple officers have been suspended for conflicting stories and falsifying a police report.  I wasn't trying to convince you that cops are villians. I was trying to get you to see that clearly this situation did not call for shooting unarmed people.  Its about you being able to judge a situation.  Its about the cop being able to judge a situation.  We need people with deadly weapons to think.  Without video footage had someone died, it would have been an absolute tragic situation. 

I wanted you to respect the gravity of the situation,  that a life was put at risk because of poor judgement. I have police in my family and as good friends. We know the importance of respecting your power to end life. We also refuse to not defend ourself against potential danger.  Its not a joke.  

I dont mean to come off as judgemental but i was shocked that you made it sound like an investigation needed to be done to prove that somehow its okay to shoot unarmed people.  I am telling you its not.  This should be self evident.



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As a black guy i'm so glad I don't live in the US.



Strange bit going on here
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=7998100
20 mins for the ambulance to arrive, cops fault for them not getting immediate attention.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=7998237
30 mins for the ambulance to arrive, cops fault for not being trained to give first aid for a shooting.

Like regardless of if the cop is 100% to blame here for shooting the guy (where was he shot btw? considering in the video he said it was like a mosquito sting and he seems generally okay in bed) but yeah that cop is first A cop and not a doctor, sure he could administer first aid but most likely he was in shock himself after realizing the mistake was made he was probably taken away from the scene since it is a horrible mistake to make.
But anyway, even then the cops who attended both men on the street, I would rather see footage of them standing there doing nothing before thinking to myself that they did that, think to yourself the only claim in the video is that he was left there to bleed on the street, after being shot of course you are going to bleed on the street, but that doesn't mean he was left there for the full duration with no attention given and again... he seems to have recovered well enough to give an interview rather quickly about the shooting.

But yeah This cop would have been in no position to administer first aid after this mistaken shot and he also is not the one responsible for it taking 20-30 minutes for an ambulance to arrive on the scene, blame the location of hospitals and ambulance staff for that time taken, the cop didn't go out of his way to make the whole emergency services work slower, he is just a (rather bad) cop.



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Ganoncrotch said:
Strange bit going on here
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=7998100
20 mins for the ambulance to arrive, cops fault for them not getting immediate attention.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=7998237
30 mins for the ambulance to arrive, cops fault for not being trained to give first aid for a shooting.

Like regardless of if the cop is 100% to blame here for shooting the guy (where was he shot btw? considering in the video he said it was like a mosquito sting and he seems generally okay in bed) but yeah that cop is first A cop and not a doctor, sure he could administer first aid but most likely he was in shock himself after realizing the mistake was made he was probably taken away from the scene since it is a horrible mistake to make.
But anyway, even then the cops who attended both men on the street, I would rather see footage of them standing there doing nothing before thinking to myself that they did that, think to yourself the only claim in the video is that he was left there to bleed on the street, after being shot of course you are going to bleed on the street, but that doesn't mean he was left there for the full duration with no attention given and again... he seems to have recovered well enough to give an interview rather quickly about the shooting.

But yeah This cop would have been in no position to administer first aid after this mistaken shot and he also is not the one responsible for it taking 20-30 minutes for an ambulance to arrive on the scene, blame the location of hospitals and ambulance staff for that time taken, the cop didn't go out of his way to make the whole emergency services work slower, he is just a (rather bad) cop.

Couple of cops are in no position to administer first aid? What's their job again?

To stop bleeding you don't need to be a paramedic. Police job is not only to pull trigger and apprehend suspects.



It's an impossible job. Nobody is perfect, and everyone makes mistakes at their job. It's just when the police make poor choices or errors in judgments, bad things can happen. It's human error. For every idiotic thing that liberal media likes to push about cops, there are several that save lives by putting their own at risk and go above and beyond. It's easy for people to sit behind a phone or computer screen and criticize these people, when none of them ever had a job which could put them in harms way. We need the police, and all of the keyboard commissioners out there aren't going to leave the comfort of their own home and risk their own lives, so don't demonize the entire force for a couple of terrible decisions.



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patriotplayer90 said:
It's an impossible job. Nobody is perfect, and everyone makes mistakes at their job. It's just when the police make poor choices or errors in judgments, bad things can happen. It's human error. For every idiotic thing that liberal media likes to push about cops, there are several that save lives by putting their own at risk and go above and beyond. It's easy for people to sit behind a phone or computer screen and criticize these people, when none of them ever had a job which could put them in harms way. We need the police, and all of the keyboard commissioners out there aren't going to leave the comfort of their own home and risk their own lives, so don't demonize the entire force for a couple of terrible decisions.

I don't think I've seen anyone argue in this thread that cops are fundamentally bad and should be all punished. This isn't about cops in general, it's about this one cop who from what we know doesn't seem very good at his job.



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Goatseye said:
Ganoncrotch said:
Strange bit going on here
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=7998100
20 mins for the ambulance to arrive, cops fault for them not getting immediate attention.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=7998237
30 mins for the ambulance to arrive, cops fault for not being trained to give first aid for a shooting.

Like regardless of if the cop is 100% to blame here for shooting the guy (where was he shot btw? considering in the video he said it was like a mosquito sting and he seems generally okay in bed) but yeah that cop is first A cop and not a doctor, sure he could administer first aid but most likely he was in shock himself after realizing the mistake was made he was probably taken away from the scene since it is a horrible mistake to make.
But anyway, even then the cops who attended both men on the street, I would rather see footage of them standing there doing nothing before thinking to myself that they did that, think to yourself the only claim in the video is that he was left there to bleed on the street, after being shot of course you are going to bleed on the street, but that doesn't mean he was left there for the full duration with no attention given and again... he seems to have recovered well enough to give an interview rather quickly about the shooting.

But yeah This cop would have been in no position to administer first aid after this mistaken shot and he also is not the one responsible for it taking 20-30 minutes for an ambulance to arrive on the scene, blame the location of hospitals and ambulance staff for that time taken, the cop didn't go out of his way to make the whole emergency services work slower, he is just a (rather bad) cop.

Couple of cops are in no position to administer first aid? What's their job again?

To stop bleeding you don't need to be a paramedic. Police job is not only to pull trigger and apprehend suspects.

While I want to agree with you in ways a cops area of expertise is not in first aid they're there to keep the peace and to call out emergency services as required. 

Fuck the way things are now for cops if one of them put pressure on the wound there would probably be clips of that used as footage on the news as police brutality on the guy. 



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Ganoncrotch said:
Goatseye said:

Couple of cops are in no position to administer first aid? What's their job again?

To stop bleeding you don't need to be a paramedic. Police job is not only to pull trigger and apprehend suspects.

While I want to agree with you in ways a cops area of expertise is not in first aid they're there to keep the peace and to call out emergency services as required. 

Fuck the way things are now for cops if one of them put pressure on the wound there would probably be clips of that used as footage on the news as police brutality on the guy. 

What are you even talking about? How can a video of policeman applying First Aid be made into an assault?

So you think videos are harming the police force work?



Goatseye said:
Ganoncrotch said:

While I want to agree with you in ways a cops area of expertise is not in first aid they're there to keep the peace and to call out emergency services as required. 

Fuck the way things are now for cops if one of them put pressure on the wound there would probably be clips of that used as footage on the news as police brutality on the guy. 

What are you even talking about? How can a video of policeman applying First Aid be made into an assault?

So you think videos are harming the police force work?

Right here we have a video of a man laying on the ground saying that he is the carer of the autistic man next to him, some people think this is, as the title says a video of a man with his hands up on the ground being shot by the police but the actual video has absolutely no shooting in it whatsoever so are you suggesting that videos cannot be taken have context added to them? even the quote of what the officer says in the OP is taken from an account of a man in hospital after the fact, guy who is clearly going to be on some heavy painkillers regardless of the location of where he is shot, but again, context removed and it's now being taken as verbatim of what the cop said on here again.

Are you not aware of how editing works in the media or... well anywhere?



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Ganoncrotch said:
Goatseye said:

What are you even talking about? How can a video of policeman applying First Aid be made into an assault?

So you think videos are harming the police force work?

Right here we have a video of a man laying on the ground saying that he is the carer of the autistic man next to him, some people think this is, as the title says a video of a man with his hands up on the ground being shot by the police but the actual video has absolutely no shooting in it whatsoever so are you suggesting that videos cannot be taken have context added to them? even the quote of what the officer says in the OP is taken from an account of a man in hospital after the fact, guy who is clearly going to be on some heavy painkillers regardless of the location of where he is shot, but again, context removed and it's now being taken as verbatim of what the cop said on here again.

Are you not aware of how editing works in the media or... well anywhere?

Editing? How can you give the police reasonable doubt if both individuals are unarmed? You are quick to doubt the victims' word but can't admit that the officer was incompetent in this case? The Miami PD didn't even refute the fact or the story of the man but you are.

It's like you want to justify the shooting...