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Miyamotoo said:
Mbolibombo said:

So which is it? Did they lose a ton of money like the OP says or did they lose 9M ?


There is difference between operating profit and Net profit, bottom of line is of course net profit. Nintendo had loss if look only operating profit, but overall, they lost only around $9m this gen and with this current fiscal year they actually have solid proof for this gen.

 FY3/2012FY3/2013FY3/2014FY3/2015FY3/2016
Net sales 647,652 635,422 571,726 549,780 504,459
Operating income -37,320 -36,410 -46,425 24,770 32,881
Ordinary income -60,863 10,482 6,086 70,530 28,790
Profit attributable to owners of parent -43,204 7,099 -23,222 41,843 16,505
Net income per share (yen) -337.86 55.52 -183.59 353.49 137.40
Total assets 1,368,401 1,447,878 1,306,410 1,352,944 1,296,902
Total net assets 1,191,025 1,227,520 1,118,438 1,167,556 1,160,901
Capital adequacy ratio 87.0% 84.8% 85.6% 86.3% 89.5%
Net assets per share (yen) 9,313.15 9,598.22 9,447.00 9,862.52 9,662.73

 

https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/finance/2015_04.html

Yes as I was expecting, you never know though. People tend to talk in terms of what suits their agenda :>



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Mbolibombo said:
Miyamotoo said:

There is difference between operating profit and Net profit, bottom of line is of course net profit. Nintendo had loss if look only operating profit, but overall, they lost only around $9m this gen and with this current fiscal year they actually have solid proof for this gen.

 FY3/2012FY3/2013FY3/2014FY3/2015FY3/2016
Net sales 647,652 635,422 571,726 549,780 504,459
Operating income -37,320 -36,410 -46,425 24,770 32,881
Ordinary income -60,863 10,482 6,086 70,530 28,790
Profit attributable to owners of parent -43,204 7,099 -23,222 41,843 16,505
Net income per share (yen) -337.86 55.52 -183.59 353.49 137.40
Total assets 1,368,401 1,447,878 1,306,410 1,352,944 1,296,902
Total net assets 1,191,025 1,227,520 1,118,438 1,167,556 1,160,901
Capital adequacy ratio 87.0% 84.8% 85.6% 86.3% 89.5%
Net assets per share (yen) 9,313.15 9,598.22 9,447.00 9,862.52 9,662.73

 

https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/finance/2015_04.html

Yes as I was expecting, you never know though. People tend to talk in terms of what suits their agenda :>

Yup, and most of people don't realise that and think beacuse OP Nintendo have loss of hundreds of millions this gen even isn't true.



Miyamotoo said:
superchunk said:
Nintendo made more profit in FY 2010/2011 than they have lost this generation. While the WiiU was a downer for 3 FYs, its definitely no reason to think they need to drop the HW business. They have enough cash to have a few meh consoles.

But fact is that they loss only around $9m till now, and with this year (most likely only with this Q1) they will become profitable this gen.

That $9m figure is Net Profit, how is that in anyway related to how their hardware business is performing? You're latching on to that Net Profit figure but really it's irrelevant to this thread, the thread doesn't say Nintendo lost money, it says their products have lost money. Which is correct.

Mbolibombo said:
Miyamotoo said:

There is difference between operating profit and Net profit, bottom of line is of course net profit. Nintendo had loss if look only operating profit, but overall, they lost only around $9m this gen and with this current fiscal year they actually have solid proof for this gen.

 FY3/2012FY3/2013FY3/2014FY3/2015FY3/2016
Net sales 647,652 635,422 571,726 549,780 504,459
Operating income -37,320 -36,410 -46,425 24,770 32,881
Ordinary income -60,863 10,482 6,086 70,530 28,790
Profit attributable to owners of parent -43,204 7,099 -23,222 41,843 16,505
Net income per share (yen) -337.86 55.52 -183.59 353.49 137.40
Total assets 1,368,401 1,447,878 1,306,410 1,352,944 1,296,902
Total net assets 1,191,025 1,227,520 1,118,438 1,167,556 1,160,901
Capital adequacy ratio 87.0% 84.8% 85.6% 86.3% 89.5%
Net assets per share (yen) 9,313.15 9,598.22 9,447.00 9,862.52 9,662.73

 

https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/finance/2015_04.html

Yes as I was expecting, you never know though. People tend to talk in terms of what suits their agenda :>

What the OP says is completely correct, and I guess he's using Operating Profit because that shows how Nintendo's Products are actually performing, due to the nature of this site I'd guess that's what people want to know. People want to know if they've made a profit on 3ds,WiiU,Amiibo,Games. That's what Operating Profit shows.

The thread doesn't say Nintendo as a company has lost money, the thread says their products have lost money, which is the more interesting point to me at least.

Obviously I don't know what reasons the OP had in creating this thread, but it doesn't matter if he is biased or a nintendo hater, there's nothing wrong with the thread itself other then the crazed reactions of some.



Miyamotoo said:

Yup, and most of people don't realise that and think beacuse OP Nintendo have loss of hundreds of millions this gen even isn't true.

Not the OP's fault though really, he stated facts If people interpret them wrong it's their fault. People could take your facts and may assume that Nintendo's products have been profitable when that's not true either. Both of you are doing things wrong. Barkely is stating only Operating Profit, he's not lied or been deceitful but he could have given the Net Profit information to say "Nintendo's products have lost money this generation, but the company has not."

Meanwhile you are spreading only the "Net Profit" this generation, while yes what you say is true that Nintendo as a company has not lost money this generation it's just as bad as the OP as you're not stating the Operating Profit as well. "Nintendo haven't lost moeny this genreation but there compnay has."

Niether of you are telling both sides of the story.

Neither of you have lied, neither of you have really done anything wrong, but niether of you told both sides of the story.

You're trying to give Net Profit to discount this thread, which just isn't relevant. But it should have been included in the OP so people don't misunderstand what the thread is saying. Then maybe people wouldn't have gone batshit crazy and the OP wouldn't have ended up banning himself.



Mowco said:
Miyamotoo said:

But fact is that they loss only around $9m till now, and with this year (most likely only with this Q1) they will become profitable this gen.

That $9m figure is Net Profit, how is that in anyway related to how their hardware business is performing? You're latching on to that Net Profit figure but really it's irrelevant to this thread, the thread doesn't say Nintendo lost money, it says their products have lost money. Which is correct.

If you go few posts up you will see that I answer to post that said Nintendo made more profit in FY 2010/2011 than they have lost this generation, and that isn't true because currently have just around 9 million loss of profit and they will actually have solid profit this gen with this fiscal year.

 

Mowco said:
Miyamotoo said:

Yup, and most of people don't realise that and think beacuse OP Nintendo have loss of hundreds of millions this gen even isn't true.

Not the OP's fault though really, he stated facts If people interpret them wrong it's their fault. People could take your facts and may assume that Nintendo's products have been profitable when that's not true either. Both of you are doing things wrong. Barkely is stating only Operating Profit, he's not lied or been deceitful but he could have given the Net Profit information to say "Nintendo's products have lost money this generation, but the company has not."

Meanwhile you are spreading only the "Net Profit" this generation, while yes what you say is true that Nintendo as a company has not lost money this generation it's just as bad as the OP as you're not stating the Operating Profit as well. "Nintendo haven't lost moeny this genreation but there compnay has."

Niether of you are telling both sides of the story.

Neither of you have lied, neither of you have really done anything wrong, but niether of you told both sides of the story.

You're trying to give Net Profit to discount this thread, which just isn't relevant.

My point is that because of this operating loss some people assuming that is equal profit, and Nintendo actually made loss of hundreds of millions this gen even isn't true.



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Miyamotoo said:


My point is that because of this operating loss some people assuming that is equal profit, and Nintendo actually made loss of hundreds of millions this gen even isn't true.

Yeah I know, it should have been put in the OP to avoid people coming into the thread and going mental, but really it's sad what this thread turned into. The point is valid, Nintendo's Products this generation have not made a profit, even if Nintendo itself will make a profit overall. But people came in and rather than be sensible just decided to bitch.

 



With that Pokemon Go money and massive stock increase Nintendo doesn't have anything to worry about at the moment. So long as NX is at least a modest success they will be fine.



SWORDF1SH said:
Wii U has and will continue to cost them financially, GET OVER IT!

FFS Nintendo fans why are you being so defensive over this. The fact is they will have lost money on the Wii U by the end of the gen. Any profit made by the 3DS is sucked up by the sinking Wii U.

Literally nothing bad is said to Nintendo fans and you still act like everybody picks on you. Even the dumb pro-Nintendo comments are protected by Nintendo fans and nobody is allowed to question it.

Barkley makes a point, at least entertain the thought that Nintendo might drop home consoles in favour on going more software based and without the high risk of having to make hardware. Most people aren't talking about Ninty dropping hardware straight away but over the long term, like NX could be their last home console and Nintendo makes the transition over, let's say, 10 years. Also people that predict this AREN'T against Nintendo. I don't even think many people on here hate Nintendo.

It depends where Nintendo see their future and it could be mobile, software and handheld. That their strongest position right now. NX could be the tester to see if home console hardware is still a profitable avenue for them, it could be a success and they continue to make home consoles.

There is an healthy discussion to be had here but this defensive attitude doesn't help. Nobody is against Nintendo.

Yup. That's why they should have killed sooner. Wii U is not helping them, in fact it was just a ball of problems, starting with the irrelevant presence of the company in the homeconsole market.

I mean, even NX was better in that topic. An unreleased console vs an already released 3-4 years console. Pathetic.

 

At least Pokemon Go and BotW is helping on Nintendo awareness this time.



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Pavolink said:
SWORDF1SH said:
Wii U has and will continue to cost them financially, GET OVER IT!

FFS Nintendo fans why are you being so defensive over this. The fact is they will have lost money on the Wii U by the end of the gen. Any profit made by the 3DS is sucked up by the sinking Wii U.

Literally nothing bad is said to Nintendo fans and you still act like everybody picks on you. Even the dumb pro-Nintendo comments are protected by Nintendo fans and nobody is allowed to question it.

Barkley makes a point, at least entertain the thought that Nintendo might drop home consoles in favour on going more software based and without the high risk of having to make hardware. Most people aren't talking about Ninty dropping hardware straight away but over the long term, like NX could be their last home console and Nintendo makes the transition over, let's say, 10 years. Also people that predict this AREN'T against Nintendo. I don't even think many people on here hate Nintendo.

It depends where Nintendo see their future and it could be mobile, software and handheld. That their strongest position right now. NX could be the tester to see if home console hardware is still a profitable avenue for them, it could be a success and they continue to make home consoles.

There is an healthy discussion to be had here but this defensive attitude doesn't help. Nobody is against Nintendo.

Yup. That's why they should have killed sooner. Wii U is not helping them, in fact it was just a ball of problems, starting with the irrelevant presence of the company in the homeconsole market.

I mean, even NX was better in that topic. An unreleased console vs an already released 3-4 years console. Pathetic.

 

At least Pokemon Go and BotW is helping on Nintendo awareness this time.

Dont forget NES Mini. :)



Mowco said:

Miyamotoo said:


My point is that because of this operating loss some people assuming that is equal profit, and Nintendo actually made loss of hundreds of millions this gen even isn't true.

Yeah I know, it should have been put in the OP to avoid people coming into the thread and going mental, but really it's sad what this thread turned into. The point is valid, Nintendo's Products this generation have not made a profit, even if Nintendo itself will make a profit overall. But people came in and rather than be sensible just decided to bitch.

 

Their products might not have made a profit yet this gen but I believe Nintendo is becoming self aware of the potential money making their IPs can offer.  They are about to get into movies with the sale of most of their stake in the Seattle Marriners (almost all 3D animations movies make big bucks even if they are based off semi stupid premises (the most recent what do pets do when you are gone movie comes to my mind)), they are working with Universal Studios for theme park rides, selling more toys than usual with amiibo and other expansions in toy market (surprised they don't team up with Lego for a Zelda or Metroid theme sets), and basically pushing their IPs more onto anything they can.  Did they share their IPs in the past with other companies?  Sure but it seems to be more of a push these days.