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vivster on 13 July 2016
kurasakiichimaru said:
vivster said:

 

Ethical mistake. The fact that he sees no wrongdoing is just sad. There were no laws against slavery at the time as well. Gonna defend that as well?

He is not a journalist and whatever he did doesn't even remotely scream ethically nor even politically incorrect as slavery.

So just because it's not as unethical it's not unethical?

Barkley said:
vivster said:

The fact that people see this as trivial is the whole problem. That's why it took for the FTC so long to even have guidelines.

Explain what your massive problem with it is. Paying reviewers is horrific, paying a let's player especially when disclosed is not.

There is a difference between disclosing and properly disclosing. Do you want to know if there is poison in your food on the tin or on some remote website? And don't come with "oh but it was right below the video". We all know nobody reads that shit because legal information like that is in every fucking video. It's easy to put a disclaimer into your video at the start. But you don't do that because it would mean compromising your opinion and your contractor.

TmarTn also "disclosed" that he was the owner of CSGO Lotto.

My massive problem with this is people like you actually defending and trivializing this plague. You know, there were honest people properly disclosing paid promotions 2 years ago before any regulation. You now, people with a moral backbone. It's not that one incident in the past that's the problem. This is a systemic issue that exiwsts throughout youtube and Twitch and even on fucking news sites. And thanks to people like you who defend that shit it will persist.



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Barkley on 13 July 2016
vivster said:
Barkley said:

Explain what your massive problem with it is. Paying reviewers is horrific, paying a let's player especially when disclosed is not.

There is a difference between disclosing and properly disclosing. Do you want to know if there is poison in your food on the tin or on some remote website? And don't come with "oh but it was right below the video". We all know nobody reads that shit because legal information like that is in every fucking video.

He gives no opinion, critique or recommendation. I see absolutely no problem here. 



SWORDF1SH on 13 July 2016
Barkley said:
RolStoppable said:
From what I am reading in this thread, I gather that quite a few people in here would respect a professional shill who posts on a video game forum as long as said shill had a note on his profile saying that he is indeed a shill. Such a person would be considered to have credibility.

Have you even seen the video he made on the game? He was paid to come and make a video of a game pre-launch. That doesn't make you a shill.

Saying "OMFG THIS IS AMAZING", "YOU GUYS HAVE GOT TO CHECK THIS OUT.", "I'VE NEVER HAD SO MUCH FUN WITH A GAME."   "THIS IS GOING TO BE ONE OF THE GREATEST GAMES THIDS YEAR."   "WOW THIS ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE." - after being paid is being a shill.

Sitting in front of a camera and playing a game while not giving any critique is not being a shill.

Darn it, you fell for it. His first 3 comment were ignored and he hooked you with his forth. Fish long enough and you'll get a bite I suppose!



vivster on 13 July 2016
Barkley said:
vivster said:

There is a difference between disclosing and properly disclosing. Do you want to know if there is poison in your food on the tin or on some remote website? And don't come with "oh but it was right below the video". We all know nobody reads that shit because legal information like that is in every fucking video.

He gives no opinion, critique or recommendation. I see absolutely no problem here. 

Wait what? Have you even watched that video? He's praising the game and as a major influencer he should have the balls to state that part of his positive bias is being paid for it.



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Veknoid_Outcast on 13 July 2016
SWORDF1SH said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:

But if they are entertainment, and his viewers accept them as entertainment, why would WB approach him in the first place? In this lawsuit PewDiePie and others are listed as social media "influencers." WB targetted PDP et al. because they have the power to influence an audience and impact sales.

Correct me if I'm wrong but the videos were not allowed to include negative opinions about the game or Warner Bros., or show any bugs and glitches. And they also needed to include "a strong verbal call-to-action to click the link in the description box for the viewer to go to the [game's] website to learn more about the [game], to learn how they can register, and to learn how to play the game." 

Wouldn't you call that something that falls outside "entertainment"?

I partially agree with you but have you watched the sponsored video yet? It's not as bad as you're making it out to be. 

I did watch it, and you're right. It's not like he was gushing about the game. His actions were far less egregious than others.

But it's still an unsavory thing: accepting money from WB to surreptitiously promote a game. PDP is, ostensibly, on YouTube to provide a quality product for his subscribers, yet in this case he was providing a product for Warner Bros.

Again, I don't begrudge anyone who wants to watch PDP's videos for a lark. And I don't want to indict every celebrity that's ever sold Pepsi or Gold Bond. But I do think the YouTube community and video game journalists (those that aren't themselves in the tank for one corporation or another) has every right to question PDP's integrity.



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Barkley on 13 July 2016
vivster said:

Wait what? Have you even watched that video? He's praising the game and as a major influencer he should have the balls to state that part of his positive bias is being paid for it.

Yes I've just watched the video, but please enlighten me to where he is "praising the game."



SWORDF1SH on 13 July 2016
vivster said:
kurasakiichimaru said:

He is not a journalist and whatever he did doesn't even remotely scream ethically nor even politically incorrect as slavery.

So just because it's not as unethical it's not unethical?

Barkley said:

Explain what your massive problem with it is. Paying reviewers is horrific, paying a let's player especially when disclosed is not.

There is a difference between disclosing and properly disclosing. Do you want to know if there is poison in your food on the tin or on some remote website? And don't come with "oh but it was right below the video". We all know nobody reads that shit because legal information like that is in every fucking video. It's easy to put a disclaimer into your video at the start. But you don't do that because it would mean compromising your opinion and your contractor.

TmarTn also "disclosed" that he was the owner of CSGO Lotto.

My massive problem with this is people like you actually defending and trivializing this plague. You know, there were honest people properly disclosing paid promotions 2 years ago before any regulation. You now, people with a moral backbone. It's not that one incident in the past that's the problem. This is a systemic issue that exiwsts throughout youtube and Twitch and even on fucking news sites. And thanks to people like you who defend that shit it will persist.

Wow! Go and knock one out, you've got some pent up aggression there. 



Barkley on 13 July 2016
RolStoppable said:
Barkley said:

Have you even seen the video he made on the game? He was paid to come and make a video of a game pre-launch. That doesn't make you a shill.

Saying "OMFG THIS IS AMAZING", "YOU GUYS HAVE GOT TO CHECK THIS OUT.", "I'VE NEVER HAD SO MUCH FUN WITH A GAME."   "THIS IS GOING TO BE ONE OF THE GREATEST GAMES THIDS YEAR."   "WOW THIS ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE." - after being paid is being a shill.

Sitting in front of a camera and playing a game while not giving any critique is not being a shill.

Believe me, any good shill does not write in caps or shout at the camera. And any company that pays a known personality for shilling would tell said person not to act out of the ordinary. After all, shills are supposed to come across as credible.

Come on you know I was exaggerating for purpose, but sure don't comment on the fact he gives no critique of the game. I'm out of this thread people either haven't watched the video, want a witch hunt for the sake of it or are just unreasonable people.

OMG HE SAT IN FRONT OF A CAMERA AND PLAYED A GAME, SHILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! UNETHICAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DISGUSTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Barkley on 13 July 2016
RolStoppable said:
Barkley said:

Come on you know I was exaggerating for purpose, but sure don't comment on the fact he gives no critique of the game. I'm out of this thread people either haven't watched the video, want a witch hunt for the sake of it or are just unreasonable people.

You yourself said that he stated that he had a lot of fun with the game. That's a positive critique.

You can say you had a lot of fun with a stick, that's not a postive critique of said stick. If he said "This game is a lot of fun" that would be positive critique.

You can have fun with absolutely attrocious games.



Sprash on 13 July 2016

who is winning this argument? the "damn, I wish I could get money that easy for that type of stuff" or the "he didn't do anything wrong crowd"