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konnichiwa on 04 July 2016
Chazore said:
SamuelRSmith said:

Just putting it out there that there are retail chains that require you to have a paid membership before you can use them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam%27s_Club

Nightmare fuel be damned. Judging by their history and the general look of their stores, they don't seem to be doing so hot like say McDonalds, Coca Cola or any other popular brands let alone Tesco's or M&S for retail.

Well...   Sam's Club had sales of $57.157 billion in FY 2014.[5] It reported a 0.3% sales increase in 2014, 4.1% in 2013, and 8.4% sales increase in 2012. This is significantly higher growth than Walmart U.S. stores, which did not have higher than 2% growth since 2010.[5]






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barneystinson69 on 04 July 2016

I don't see this as a big deal. Same deal last gen, and nobody really cared.



Made a bet with LipeJJ and HylianYoshi that the XB1 will reach 30 million before Wii U reaches 15 million. Loser has to get avatar picked by winner for 6 months (or if I lose, either 6 months avatar control for both Lipe and Hylian, or my patrick avatar comes back forever).

Chazore on 04 July 2016
deskpro2k3 said:

Exclusives are the bread and butter of a console.

Take into consideration that not only are the Xbox exclusives like Gears of War is moving over to Windows, but you can play them without Live subscription. Does this answer your question?

I was talking about paying to play online, not console exclusives.

I will say this again to be perfectly crystal clear; How does paying to play online on PC keep the Xbox One entirely 100% viable and relevant, how does one group that rejected the online scheme keep a system they weren't into alive and well?.

konnichiwa said:

Well...   Sam's Club had sales of $57.157 billion in FY 2014.[5] It reported a 0.3% sales increase in 2014, 4.1% in 2013, and 8.4% sales increase in 2012. This is significantly higher growth than Walmart U.S. stores, which did not have higher than 2% growth since 2010.[5]

Do we have any data on every other global retail store outlets around the world versus this one store that charges you before you buy?. I'm sure the results would be telling at one point.



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Slimebeast on 04 July 2016
Kerotan said:
I thought it would be a big deal but apparantly game sales on pc xbox live are very bad. Someone quoted recently that only 2% of a games sales took play on there. Unless that improves MS really have nothing to worry about in this regard.

Wow. So Microsoft is risking the value of their whole Xbox brand and sacrificing the pride of their fans, just to see that a game like say Quantum Break sells an extra 20,000 copies on PC (assuming it sells 1 million on Xbox One during its lifetime).

Actually I already had estimated it to be 40,000 PC Quantum Breaks compared with 1 million console, but it seems it's even worse.

And I just can't see the potential going into the future. Nearly everyone has access to the store through just a couple of clicks on their desktop, but they just don't care. Personally I hate it, the tile layout, the colors, everything.

I just can't believe how stupid Microsoft are. How can they not see that Windows Store will never succeed? I'm 100% sure of it. The maximum potential I see is that i can lift 4-5% more a year from now or when the next Halo comes out.

Halo 6 sells 5 million on Xbox and 7% of that, 350,000 on PC Windows Store is the maximum potential. But that's it. And that will be only a fraction of what they would need to sell for this strategy to have been worth it compared with the old system with Xbox exclusives.

I just can't believe how out of touch Microsoft is with the market once again. It's mindboggling.



binary solo on 04 July 2016

I'm sure MS will try to introduce a voluntary opt in subscription. Online is free, but the other benefits (like free monthly games) comes with a monthly sub. It's no skin off MS's nose to introduce a voluntary subscription system for PC. So even if only a small number of PC gamers pick it up it's still more revenue at basically no cost.

It's fortunate Sony introduced the free games each month with subscription, because if Sony hadn't done that MS would never have implemented it and there would be no real justification for why the unified platform charged for online on one platform but not the other.



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Kerotan on 04 July 2016
Slimebeast said:
Kerotan said:
I thought it would be a big deal but apparantly game sales on pc xbox live are very bad. Someone quoted recently that only 2% of a games sales took play on there. Unless that improves MS really have nothing to worry about in this regard.

Wow. So Microsoft is risking the value of their whole Xbox brand and sacrificing the pride of their fans, just to see that a game like say Quantum Break sells an extra 20,000 copies on PC (assuming it sells 1 million on Xbox One during its lifetime).

Actually I already had estimated it to be 40,000 PC Quantum Breaks compared with 1 million console, but it seems it's even worse.

And I just can't see the potential going into the future. Nearly everyone has access to the store through just a couple of clicks on their desktop, but they just don't care. Personally I hate it, the tile layout, the colors, everything.

I just can't believe how stupid Microsoft are. How can they not see that Windows Store will never succeed? I'm 100% sure of it. The maximum potential I see is that i can lift 4-5% more a year from now or when the next Halo comes out.

Halo 6 sells 5 million on Xbox and 7% of that, 350,000 on PC Windows Store is the maximum potential. But that's it. And that will be only a fraction of what they would need to sell for this strategy to have been worth it compared with the old system with Xbox exclusives.

I just can't believe how out of touch Microsoft is with the market once again. It's mindboggling.

Their strategy is all over the place.  At least Sony are sticking to their guns instead of trying to eat all the pies at once.  

 

PS4, PS VUE,  PS NOW and PSVR.  Sony aren't messing with valves market which it has nailed down.  MS are trying but the reality is they should have tried 10 years ago. 



xboxonefan on 04 July 2016

Because they want to kill the Xbox brand



Alibaba on 05 July 2016
Slimebeast said:
Kerotan said:
I thought it would be a big deal but apparantly game sales on pc xbox live are very bad. Someone quoted recently that only 2% of a games sales took play on there. Unless that improves MS really have nothing to worry about in this regard.

Wow. So Microsoft is risking the value of their whole Xbox brand and sacrificing the pride of their fans, just to see that a game like say Quantum Break sells an extra 20,000 copies on PC (assuming it sells 1 million on Xbox One during its lifetime).

Actually I already had estimated it to be 40,000 PC Quantum Breaks compared with 1 million console, but it seems it's even worse.

And I just can't see the potential going into the future. Nearly everyone has access to the store through just a couple of clicks on their desktop, but they just don't care. Personally I hate it, the tile layout, the colors, everything.

I just can't believe how stupid Microsoft are. How can they not see that Windows Store will never succeed? I'm 100% sure of it. The maximum potential I see is that i can lift 4-5% more a year from now or when the next Halo comes out.

Halo 6 sells 5 million on Xbox and 7% of that, 350,000 on PC Windows Store is the maximum potential. But that's it. And that will be only a fraction of what they would need to sell for this strategy to have been worth it compared with the old system with Xbox exclusives.

I just can't believe how out of touch Microsoft is with the market once again. It's mindboggling.

Yeah, MS about shooting in their legs again.

I can say more, PC gamers doesn't care about Halo at all. For them it's just another shooter, nothing extraordinary. When MS release their top 1 franchise in Windows Store or even Steam nothing will happen.



Dark_Lord_2008 on 05 July 2016

It appears that Microsoft are blinded by the profits over the next few years. Sell more games on combined PC and Xbox consoles will generate more sales and more profit for its gaming division.



KiigelHeart on 05 July 2016

Wasn't it some anonymous ex-Lionhead employee who stated in interview that 2% of RotTR PC sales were in Windows store? All of it sounded like a bitter rant imo. Anyway, that's really not enough info to say Microsoft is out of touch with the market 😋