I am pretty aware of Wii software sales, and thats 915m of software units sold on 101.5m units of console, and that is great attach rate, maybe you think that is shocking such a great attach rate!?

https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/sales/hard_soft/index.html

What denial!? You don't have any denial in my post, just pure facts.

Ok, if nintendos demons as i mentioned arent still hurting them, so what happened with the WiiU? you  can't just take one success over 4 attempts as the basis of your entire argument in an attempt to dismiss the "fact" that since the ninties nintendo has made some massive errors. 

- They did stab sony in thr back and sided with philips without even telling sony, which led to the playstation today. Thats a fact.

- they had a draconian approach to third parties with the Nes and Snes, which for the most part has left them all bitter towards nintendo till this day. Another fact.

- they opted to use catridges for the N64, which meant nintendo staples like Metal gear and Final fantasy simply couldn't be made on the more powerful N64, basically handing that generation over to sony. Another fact.

- they keep skimping out on hardware, last competent machine they built was the gamecube. Forcing them to rely on things like motion controls or tablet controllers to distinguish their platform. And if the rumors of the NX are true, they are still about to do that. Also a fact.

- support on their console is so limited that they basically get around 2-3 good games a year. Compared to at least 10-15 good games on other platforms a year (even if they are multiplat you still can't play them on a ninty console)

what about all i habe said isnt true? and you think because of the success the wii was that makes everything ok? Just look at the WiiU, they couldnt even break 20M in 4yrs. Thats the worst selling nintendo platform ever, and right on the heels of the wii..... and you don't still think there is a problem? I mean, nintendo were the market leaders last year, they have the dame access to AMD that sony and MS has. Yet they made a wiiU?????

Not that I'm refuting your facts, but what were those draconian approaches towards third-party games Nintendo used to have back with the NES and the SNES?

Ok, if nintendos demons as i mentioned arent still hurting them, so what happened with the WiiU? you  can't just take one success over 4 attempts as the basis of your entire argument in an attempt to dismiss the "fact" that since the ninties nintendo has made some massive errors. 

- They did stab sony in thr back and sided with philips without even telling sony, which led to the playstation today. Thats a fact.

- they had a draconian approach to third parties with the Nes and Snes, which for the most part has left them all bitter towards nintendo till this day. Another fact.

- they opted to use catridges for the N64, which meant nintendo staples like Metal gear and Final fantasy simply couldn't be made on the more powerful N64, basically handing that generation over to sony. Another fact.

- they keep skimping out on hardware, last competent machine they built was the gamecube. Forcing them to rely on things like motion controls or tablet controllers to distinguish their platform. And if the rumors of the NX are true, they are still about to do that. Also a fact.

- support on their console is so limited that they basically get around 2-3 good games a year. Compared to at least 10-15 good games on other platforms a year (even if they are multiplat you still can't play them on a ninty console)

what about all i habe said isnt true? and you think because of the success the wii was that makes everything ok? Just look at the WiiU, they couldnt even break 20M in 4yrs. Thats the worst selling nintendo platform ever, and right on the heels of the wii..... and you don't still think there is a problem? I mean, nintendo were the market leaders last year, they have the dame access to AMD that sony and MS has. Yet they made a wiiU?????

GB/Wii/DS/3DS also are clear fact that "demons doenst haunting them till this day", just last gen they had most successful generation in history of gaming, you cant clearly make that if demons of past hunt you. :)

Wii U had series of Nintendo made mistakes, it was bloody mess (revealing, marketing, naming, pricing, game pad, launch titles..), Nintendo itself said after Wii succes they were to relax with Wii U, they thought it will sell event huge mistake they made, also there is fact that they were saving 3DS in some time when they needed to prepare Wii U launch, there is reason why Wii U is worst selling Nintendo console and that doesnt have with "demons of the past".

If you look history of Nintendo hardware, they have hits and misses, that's how they operate, if they have mass appealing product they have good sales, if they dont sales are low, evre new console and new generation is totaly difrent story from previous one, doesn't have anything with "demons of pasts".

Ok, if nintendos demons as i mentioned arent still hurting them, so what happened with the WiiU? you  can't just take one success over 4 attempts as the basis of your entire argument in an attempt to dismiss the "fact" that since the ninties nintendo has made some massive errors. 

- They did stab sony in thr back and sided with philips without even telling sony, which led to the playstation today. Thats a fact.

- they had a draconian approach to third parties with the Nes and Snes, which for the most part has left them all bitter towards nintendo till this day. Another fact.

- they opted to use catridges for the N64, which meant nintendo staples like Metal gear and Final fantasy simply couldn't be made on the more powerful N64, basically handing that generation over to sony. Another fact.

- they keep skimping out on hardware, last competent machine they built was the gamecube. Forcing them to rely on things like motion controls or tablet controllers to distinguish their platform. And if the rumors of the NX are true, they are still about to do that. Also a fact.

- support on their console is so limited that they basically get around 2-3 good games a year. Compared to at least 10-15 good games on other platforms a year (even if they are multiplat you still can't play them on a ninty console)

what about all i habe said isnt true? and you think because of the success the wii was that makes everything ok? Just look at the WiiU, they couldnt even break 20M in 4yrs. Thats the worst selling nintendo platform ever, and right on the heels of the wii..... and you don't still think there is a problem? I mean, nintendo were the market leaders last year, they have the dame access to AMD that sony and MS has. Yet they made a wiiU?????

GB/DS/3DS...... arent those handhelds? Why don't you make a lost of their home consoles since the SNES. N64/GC/Wii/WiiU. By nintendo standsrds all tjose were failures compared to the SNES in the ssme wsy the PS3 was a failure comoared to the PS1/PS2. 

Hits and misses? thats how they operate? are you kidding me? You make it sound like they invest billions into something with the underlying plan of "eell our last release was a success . Lets fail this time".

And no, if you look at nintendo history you will see there are business practicies that nintendi has always had that they either still carry till this day or have affected how they do business today. What i find puzzling is that you are old enoigh to know first hand everything that has happened with nintendo. But you are choowing to jist not see or admit it. 

Well i owned a NES and then a SNES and a N64. or at least my brother owmed that one. I was there and i remember what happened. 

I fail to see how the failure of Wii U is a direct result of something that happened in the early-mid 90's. The things you are saying are facts but that doesn't automatically make them relevent points.

Yes, they are handhelds, so what!? Handhelds are huge part of every Nintendo generation and they have huge effect on Nintendo decisions. I dont see how Wii can be failure compared to SNES.

Of Course not, but they risking with different and new approach and that strategy is usually hits and misses, they definitely not saying "now we will make a miss with this console" lol.

I am very aware of history of Nintendo and I am very well informed about everything regardless Nintendo.

Sony developed PS4 to the taste of the developers, Nintendo developed the WiiU for themselves... that is one of the points that still hunt them since NES