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LudicrousSpeed said:
Aeolus451 said:

No. They are many others who are willing to overlook the abusive behavior of Bethesda.

As most of the replies in this thread state, there is no abuse going on.

 

The only reason people bring up Sony is the OP. They guessed there would be a double standard and they guessed right. Sheds a light on how silly the whole premise of the thread is.

One of buggiest console games I've ever played (skyrim) is being remastered for consoles (charging full price) and pc (they get it free if they got the GOTY edition or all of the dlc). You talk about double standards? 

What is silly is people who are given a shit sandwich by a company then try to act like it was an angus burger. 



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Wyrdness said:
Tbh the treatment of PS3 owners was diabolical with a version that ran like a sedated horse.

Agreed. I never got to enjoy Skyrim, as i only has a PS3 last gen. I gave up trying to play it, when the game had already frozen on me almost 20 times in the first 3-4 hours. I'll be getting the remaster for PS4 at some point, but i'm definitely not going to pay $60 for it, or any other remaster. Hell, i have a hard time paying $30 for a remaster. I'll probably grab it when it's around $20-$25.



I game almost entirely on console, with a couple of exceptions like strategy games, and Elite: Dangerous for awhile. I play on console because, put simply, I find the experience more streamlined, more enjoyable, and am therefore willing to accept the downsides that come with it. Maybe one day I will get into PC gaming more fully, save up money, have my friend build me a beefy rig, etc, but for now the PC I use for the aforementioned titles + web surfing gives me enough headaches as is. xP That and if I do get into PC gaming, I want to do it whole hog, and will therefore wait til I can sink at least a grand into buying all the hardware.

But when it comes to this 'why are console gamers treated like second-class citizens etc' talk, which also happens whenever the 'why Don't PC Gamers Have To Pay For Online Multiplayer?' I do feel it necessary to point out that we ARE on a closed platform. Now, I do sort of think that having a platform holder driven as much by increasing its install base as pure profit on the games it develops has advantages. We're getting an Insomniac-developed Spider-Man game, and there's nooooo way that would have happened under Activision's watch, because they lack Sony's entirely self-serving motivation to fund a Spider-Man game so super awesome, it will DRIVE new customers to the platform. While Sony and Microsoft's constant struggle to drive people on their platform will lead to some unpleasant results- i.e. games that already WERE going to exist just existing on less platforms- it has also driven both companies to fund technical showcases, titles big and beautiful designed to entice you and everybody else to not only get the GAME, but also the three-to-four hundred dollar hunk of plastic said game is tethered to.

But it also has disadvantages, quite a heaping handful. Less competition within the platform to drive lower prices, (this one being partially mitigated by the existence of used games,) less of an overall library due to the aforementioned curation, and few to no options when it comes to pursuing improvements to a title we've bought, outside sanctioned patches and DLC. On average, we have less games to choose from, will pay more, and will have less potential functionality from the software we buy.

So, ultimately, when the question comes up 'Why aren't PC gamers getting charged, but we are?' the answer is 'Because they won't buy it, and we will.' Just like the answer to 'Why do we have to pay to play x console game on multiplayer, and PC gamers don't?' is that, again, we will pay for online multiplayer, PC gamers won't.

And unfortunately, the reason we will is because we don't have any alternative to getting a graphically shinier title, OR access to multiplayer. PC gamers do. Absolutely, people who want to boycott this will refrain from buying it, but ultimately it'll be outweighed by lots and lots of console gamers who WANT this shiny Skyrim, and have literally NO other option to get it, short of (ironically) buying a gaming PC and buying the Complete Edition of Skyrim while it's still thirty bucks. =P

And ultimately, from a pure price standpoint, spending sixty bucks on a game is still gonna be cheaper than spending hundreds of dollars on PC hardware, THEN thirty bucks on the old version just to get the new version for 'Free.' =P



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Zanten said:
I game almost entirely on console, with a couple of exceptions like strategy games, and Elite: Dangerous for awhile. I play on console because, put simply, I find the experience more streamlined, more enjoyable, and am therefore willing to accept the downsides that come with it. Maybe one day I will get into PC gaming more fully, save up money, have my friend build me a beefy rig, etc, but for now the PC I use for the aforementioned titles + web surfing gives me enough headaches as is. xP That and if I do get into PC gaming, I want to do it whole hog, and will therefore wait til I can sink at least a grand into buying all the hardware.

But when it comes to this 'why are console gamers treated like second-class citizens etc' talk, which also happens whenever the 'why Don't PC Gamers Have To Pay For Online Multiplayer?' I do feel it necessary to point out that we ARE on a closed platform. Now, I do sort of think that having a platform holder driven as much by increasing its install base as pure profit on the games it develops has advantages. We're getting an Insomniac-developed Spider-Man game, and there's nooooo way that would have happened under Activision's watch, because they lack Sony's entirely self-serving motivation to fund a Spider-Man game so super awesome, it will DRIVE new customers to the platform. While Sony and Microsoft's constant struggle to drive people on their platform will lead to some unpleasant results- i.e. games that already WERE going to exist just existing on less platforms- it has also driven both companies to fund technical showcases, titles big and beautiful designed to entice you and everybody else to not only get the GAME, but also the three-to-four hundred dollar hunk of plastic said game is tethered to.

But it also has disadvantages, quite a heaping handful. Less competition within the platform to drive lower prices, (this one being partially mitigated by the existence of used games,) less of an overall library due to the aforementioned curation, and few to no options when it comes to pursuing improvements to a title we've bought, outside sanctioned patches and DLC. On average, we have less games to choose from, will pay more, and will have less potential functionality from the software we buy.

So, ultimately, when the question comes up 'Why aren't PC gamers getting charged, but we are?' the answer is 'Because they won't buy it, and we will.' Just like the answer to 'Why do we have to pay to play x console game on multiplayer, and PC gamers don't?' is that, again, we will pay for online multiplayer, PC gamers won't.

And unfortunately, the reason we will is because we don't have any alternative to getting a graphically shinier title, OR access to multiplayer. PC gamers do. Absolutely, people who want to boycott this will refrain from buying it, but ultimately it'll be outweighed by lots and lots of console gamers who WANT this shiny Skyrim, and have literally NO other option to get it, short of (ironically) buying a gaming PC and buying the Complete Edition of Skyrim while it's still thirty bucks. =P

And ultimately, from a pure price standpoint, spending sixty bucks on a game is still gonna be cheaper than spending hundreds of dollars on PC hardware, THEN thirty bucks on the old version just to get the new version for 'Free.' =P

basically the same feeling I have (besides loving sony 1st party and gaming rig being too expensive in brazil), just I'm quite patient to buy when sw price lower and psn have a lot of good deals



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Aeolus451 said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

As most of the replies in this thread state, there is no abuse going on.

 

The only reason people bring up Sony is the OP. They guessed there would be a double standard and they guessed right. Sheds a light on how silly the whole premise of the thread is.

One of buggiest console games I've ever played (skyrim) is being remastered for consoles (charging full price) and pc (they get it free if they got the GOTY edition or all of the dlc). You talk about double standards? 

What is silly is people who are given a shit sandwich by a company then try to act like it was an angus burger. 

Buggiest for you maybe. I got the platinum on PS3 (supposedly the worst version) with virtually no issues :)

 

Exactly how much do you think PC owners should pay for what amounts to 64 bit support? lol.

 

There is no shit sandwich here. Just one of the best devs around remastering one of the best games ever.



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LudicrousSpeed said:
Aeolus451 said:

One of buggiest console games I've ever played (skyrim) is being remastered for consoles (charging full price) and pc (they get it free if they got the GOTY edition or all of the dlc). You talk about double standards? 

What is silly is people who are given a shit sandwich by a company then try to act like it was an angus burger. 

Buggiest for you maybe. I got the platinum on PS3 (supposedly the worst version) with virtually no issues :)

 

Exactly how much do you think PC owners should pay for what amounts to 64 bit support? lol.

 

There is no shit sandwich here. Just one of the best devs around remastering one of the best games ever.

I have no doubt that you got the platinum but I call the rest of that bullshit. You can lie all you want in the forum about your experiences with that game but I played that game on different PS3s with different copies of Skyrim and every bit of it was buggy to no end. It was buggy for all of my friends. There's thousands upon thousands of other gamers that had the same buggy experience as I did. I can understand if you just like the game a great deal and just don't mind the bugs but please don't try to bullshit people acting like there's no bugs in that game. 



That's funny, you calling me a liar because I had a different experience than you. Apparently you don't understand bugs. Its ok :)



zero129 said:
Aeolus451 said:

One of buggiest console games I've ever played (skyrim) is being remastered for consoles (charging full price) and pc (they get it free if they got the GOTY edition or all of the dlc). You talk about double standards? 

What is silly is people who are given a shit sandwich by a company then try to act like it was an angus burger. 

What you fail to see is this.

PC users aint getting the Remaster free, In fact the Remaster is a Downgrade compared to some of the mods thats running on skyrim.

So really all PC users are getting for free is 64 bit support since we already have much better content thanks to mods.

Now how the hell can you expect them to try sell this game to PC users?.

Console owners on the other hand (Dont all you guys also own super powerful gaming PC's anyways going by them xbox threads??).

Doesnt have any of this content.

But like i said it would be ok for Ruler to complain about being charged if he didnt have a double standard.

If that's the case for PC then why is bethesda bothering to give you guys a downgraded copy of the game? Why is bethesda shitting on console gamers again by asking us to buy a remastered Skyrim for $60 when the console version the first time around was so shitty?

To the bolded part, I don't pretend to be a pc gamer. 



LudicrousSpeed said:
That's funny, you calling me a liar because I had a different experience than you. Apparently you don't understand bugs. Its ok :)

 What is the more likely situation, that you're lying about your experiences with skyrim on the PS3 or that you managed to play one of the most bug ridden games on consoles without experiencing any bugs? Hmm. I wonder....



LudicrousSpeed said:
Aeolus451 said:

One of buggiest console games I've ever played (skyrim) is being remastered for consoles (charging full price) and pc (they get it free if they got the GOTY edition or all of the dlc). You talk about double standards? 

What is silly is people who are given a shit sandwich by a company then try to act like it was an angus burger. 

Buggiest for you maybe. I got the platinum on PS3 (supposedly the worst version) with virtually no issues :)

 

Exactly how much do you think PC owners should pay for what amounts to 64 bit support? lol.

 

There is no shit sandwich here. Just one of the best devs around remastering one of the best games ever.

You are a multi console owner aren't you? So why would you buy the version that was deemed the worse?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."