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Veknoid_Outcast on 18 June 2016
pokoko said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:

Totally agree. Right now, I think both Sony and Microsoft have a first-party problem. Microsoft mitigates that problem by creating partnerships that produce games like Scalebound and ReCore, and Sony mitigates the problem by inviting in third-party Japanese exclusives.

Everyone has a first party problem and they always will.  None of the console manufacturers come close to providing enough games on their own.  Imagine the Wii U if Nintendo hadn't employed third-party studios.  No Bayonetta, Hyrule Warriors, or Pokken.  Everyone is always looking for good investments.

My one problem with Microsoft is that they will at some point need another big IP.  Perhaps Quantum Break is supposed to fill that void but I don't think it will.

To some extent that's true. But some problems are more glaring than others.

To be clear, I don't think Microsoft has superior first party studios. The folks at 343 have mismanaged Halo, Lionhead is gone, Rare has an inconsistent track record, and The Coalition has a lot to prove. But in terms of first party games - i.e. Microsoft published games - I think Xbox is starting to show an advantage over PlayStation.

And, yes, Microsoft desperately needs a new, exciting property. The trinity of Halo, Gears, and Forza can only go so far.



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Veknoid_Outcast on 18 June 2016
Teeqoz said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:

I believe it does.

Many of Sony's studios are inconsistent. Sucker Punch struck gold with Infamous then lost its way, focusing now on storytelling and graphics. Bend hasn't worked on something really good in a long time. MediaMolecule has some ambitious, creative ideas, but suffers when it comes to gameplay. Guerrilla hasn't made anything good in ten years. Team Ico has the most talent, but has been MIA for a decade. Liverpool is shuttered. Even the best and most consistent studios have turned in duds - Naughty Dog with Uncharted 3 and JAPAN Studio with Puppeteer.

Really, Sony has never had consistently great first-party content, with one exception: PS2. Games like God of War, God of War II, The Precursor Legacy, Going Commando, Up Your Arsenal, Killzone, Ico, and Shadow of the Colossus combined with third party exclusives to make arguably the best library ever.

If you call that "having a first party problem", then all of the big three have a first probelm, and have had it since forever.

Suckerpunch focus now on storytelling and graphics? I beg to differ. Second Son was a massive improvement over the original two in terms of gameplay, but a step back in terms of storytelling. First Light had better gameplay and better storytelling. I'll give you Media Molecule, but we have yet to see how Dreams turn out. Guerilla has made several good games in the last 10 years. Sure, their games might not fit to your tastes, but if I were to call anything that doesn't fit my tastes "not good", then I could give you a long list of highly acclaimed games by fans and critics alike that "aren't good". Meanwhile, saying that Naughty Dog turned in a dud with UC3 is about as silly as saying the Zelda team turned in a dud with Skyward Sword. Japan Studios is a massive development team (it is divided in multiple teams, sort of like Nintendo EPD). At such a massive size, ofcourse you're going to make some games that aren't as well received as others.

And you should!

We shouldn't feel trapped into praising the most popular or critically-acclaimed games. Embrace your own opinion. If you dislike Ocarina of Time, then say so. If you think Grand Theft Auto V and Uncharted 2 are overrated, great! As long as you justify those opinions, everything is fair game.



Ali_16x on 18 June 2016
Veknoid_Outcast said:
Ali_16x said:

Most of this is just your opinion.

Second Son was great, the only problem was the side quests were repetitive. And that was probably because it was a launch game.

Bend hasn't worked on something good? They've always been a very small studio with less than 50 people (now 100+ for Days Gone) and most people liked Uncharted Vita. 

Team Ico has been MIA? No, they haven't, Ueda said that The Last Guardian wasn't in active development and that they would go on to different projects. 

Again, your opinion, you don't think MediaMolecule has good gameplay? I thought Tearaway had great gameplay, and so did most. Lol, there aren't much to MediaMolecule's games other gameplay and creativeness and people enjoy their game so.....

Guerilla hasn't made a good game in 10 years? WTF? Are you serious? Tons of people enjoyed Killzone 2 and to a lesser extent Killzone 3 (super short campaign).

Uncharted 3 is a dud? Are you being serious? Do you even know what a dud is? Is your whole post a complete joke? Are you like trolling me? Lol I think you are, because this seems like a joke to me. 

Most people think Puppeteer is a great game that actually deserved to be remastered.

Lol, my god, you are acting like all Sony has released are 60 meta games or something.


And the fact that you didn't include Nintendo in your post means that you think they have a great first party line up right? 

Going by your criteria, Nintendo must also have a bad first party lineup with inconsistent games like Captain Treasure Tracker, Animal Crossing: Amiibo Festival, Star Fox Zero, Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze, Kirby and the Rainbow Curse, Mario Party etc. And since you didn't include 3rd party made games for Sony/Microsoft that excludes Super Smash Brothers, Bayonetta. What would that leave for NIntendo? Zelda, Mario platformers, and Mario Kart? And yes, I know, what I said was ridiculous, just like your post.

It just seems like you don't enjoy what Sony has to offer, when most do.

Well, yeah, of course it's my opinion. I don't judge greatness by sales or scores or popularity.

I'm more than happy to debate the merits of Sony's first party efforts, but if you're just going to talk about how "most people" or "tons of people" like something, or - worse - quote Metacritic, then I'm afraid we can't have a very productive conversation.

Why don't you tell me why YOU like those games, and we can go from there.

Except, that is the ONLY way to have a productive conversation. When it comes down to stuff like this, it's all opinions, there is no real right answer. So you saying things like "Sony has a bad first party lineup" as a fact, that's just your opinion. So whose to say who right? You really can't, the closest thing you can say is what most people thought of them. And literally all the games you listed, most have enjoyed, including me.

Lol, the way you are talking about most of these games including Killzone 2, InFamous Second Son, MediaM, Uncharted 3, all games I've played, is as if they're the worst things ever, as if NO ONE enjoyed them, that's ridiculous. 



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bananaking21 on 18 June 2016

yeah that is not impressive at all. in fact it is a pretty low number when you count in games that already launched but still get support and second parties

1- Halo 6
2- Gears 4
3- Recore
4- Sea of Thieves
5- Rare second game
6- Dead Rising 4 or Phantum dust??
7- Forza Horizon 3
8- Forza 7
9- Killer instinct
10- Mincraft
11- Scalebound
12- Halo wars 2
13- State of Decay 2
14- Crackdown

if this does include games MS is developing and funding, then thats really a horrid list. if its just second/third party games that MS is publishing, then it would be a better situation. but either way, their weak software development showed this E3 when MS didnt announce one new AAA exclusive.



DanneSandin on 18 June 2016
Veknoid_Outcast said:
You know what? That's actually a pretty good list. I never thought I'd say this, but Microsoft's first-party output may be eclipsing Sony's. I want to play The Last Guardian more than anything Microsoft is publishing, but taken as a whole the Microsoft stable is looking impressive. The question is: will all these games be released on time or at all?

I agree that MS has a pretty good line up coming, and I'm glad that they're bringing a variety of games; it's not all shooters and action games



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malistix1985 on 18 June 2016
Ali_16x said:
malistix1985 said:
there first party has been the best out of all 3 big consoles, obviously ps4 exclusives are racking up and destroying all competitors consoles but thats not first party but second- and third party like Bloodborne, Until Dawn, Ratchet and clank and upcomming games like Persona, sony first party is the one that really needs to step it up.

I am excited to see what Microsoft has in (windows10) store for my pc

Which first party games of Microsoft?

Gears of War Ultimate Edition, Gears of War 4, Halo5, Master Chief Collection, Forza 5, 6 and horizon 2 and 3, Minecraft, Halo wars, Sea of thieves, Rare replay, Ori and the Blind Forest lots of great stuff from microsoft, i might be missing some, sony also has impressive first party studio's (arguably more impressive) but they have been slow at releasing games in the first 3 years.




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Veknoid_Outcast on 18 June 2016
Ali_16x said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:

Well, yeah, of course it's my opinion. I don't judge greatness by sales or scores or popularity.

I'm more than happy to debate the merits of Sony's first party efforts, but if you're just going to talk about how "most people" or "tons of people" like something, or - worse - quote Metacritic, then I'm afraid we can't have a very productive conversation.

Why don't you tell me why YOU like those games, and we can go from there.

Except, that is the ONLY way to have a productive conversation. When it comes down to stuff like this, it's all opinions, there is no real right answer. So you saying things like "Sony has a bad first party lineup" as a fact, that's just your opinion. So whose to say who right? You really can't, the closest thing you can say is what most people thought of them. And literally all the games you listed, most have enjoyed, including me.

Lol, the way you are talking about most of these games including Killzone 2, InFamous Second Son, MediaM, Uncharted 3, all games I've played, is as if they're the worst things ever, as if NO ONE enjoyed them, that's ridiculous. 

Yes, that's true. But isn't that why we're here? To exchange information and opinions?

If we just go by Metacritic, Ocarina, Halo, Super Mario Galaxy, and Half-Life 2 are the best games. Period. And If we go by sales, something like Wii Sports or Minecraft is the best game. No debate.

How boring is that? Why even post?

Anyway, the offer still stands. I'm happy to debate the finer points of Uncharted, Killzone, Infamous, Tearaway, whatever. But I don't want my opinion to be invalidated by sales figures or Metascore.



Teeqoz on 18 June 2016
Veknoid_Outcast said:
Teeqoz said:

If you call that "having a first party problem", then all of the big three have a first probelm, and have had it since forever.

Suckerpunch focus now on storytelling and graphics? I beg to differ. Second Son was a massive improvement over the original two in terms of gameplay, but a step back in terms of storytelling. First Light had better gameplay and better storytelling. I'll give you Media Molecule, but we have yet to see how Dreams turn out. Guerilla has made several good games in the last 10 years. Sure, their games might not fit to your tastes, but if I were to call anything that doesn't fit my tastes "not good", then I could give you a long list of highly acclaimed games by fans and critics alike that "aren't good". Meanwhile, saying that Naughty Dog turned in a dud with UC3 is about as silly as saying the Zelda team turned in a dud with Skyward Sword. Japan Studios is a massive development team (it is divided in multiple teams, sort of like Nintendo EPD). At such a massive size, ofcourse you're going to make some games that aren't as well received as others.

And you should!

We shouldn't feel trapped into praising the most popular or critically-acclaimed games. Embrace your own opinion. If you dislike Ocarina of Time, then say so. If you think Grand Theft Auto V and Uncharted 2 are overrated, great! As long as you justify those opinions, everything is fair game.

Fair enough, but then, like I said, all of the big three have first party issues.



pokoko on 18 June 2016
Veknoid_Outcast said:
pokoko said:

Everyone has a first party problem and they always will.  None of the console manufacturers come close to providing enough games on their own.  Imagine the Wii U if Nintendo hadn't employed third-party studios.  No Bayonetta, Hyrule Warriors, or Pokken.  Everyone is always looking for good investments.

My one problem with Microsoft is that they will at some point need another big IP.  Perhaps Quantum Break is supposed to fill that void but I don't think it will.

To some extent that's true. But some problems are more glaring than others.

To be clear, I don't think Microsoft has superior first party studios. The folks at 343 have mismanaged Halo, Lionhead is gone, Rare has an inconsistent track record, and The Coalition has a lot to prove. But in terms of first party games - i.e. Microsoft published games - I think Xbox is starting to show an advantage over PlayStation.

And, yes, Microsoft desperately needs a new, exciting property. The trinity of Halo, Gears, and Forza can only go so far.

You seem to be talking very much personal taste here, which could be argued all day.  I mean, in that case, I think Sucker Punch is doing fine.  I thought Killzone 3 was a good game, though admittedly flawed.  Games scoring in the 80s are usually good games, even if they're not to an individual's taste.  I'm not going to criticize Nintendo for making platformers just because I don't like them.

Sony's philosophy is to usually let studios try what they want.  It doesn't always work but I like it.  

However, I do feel like the era of first-party expansion is coming to an end.  We might see the odd addition here and there but contracting third-party studios for first party projects is going to get more and more popular with all three console manufacturers.  It has most of the benefits with way less risks and financial obligations.  People are just going to have to get used to it and restructure their lists accordingly.



Veknoid_Outcast on 18 June 2016
pokoko said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:

To some extent that's true. But some problems are more glaring than others.

To be clear, I don't think Microsoft has superior first party studios. The folks at 343 have mismanaged Halo, Lionhead is gone, Rare has an inconsistent track record, and The Coalition has a lot to prove. But in terms of first party games - i.e. Microsoft published games - I think Xbox is starting to show an advantage over PlayStation.

And, yes, Microsoft desperately needs a new, exciting property. The trinity of Halo, Gears, and Forza can only go so far.

You seem to be talking very much personal taste here, which could be argued all day.  I mean, in that case, I think Sucker Punch is doing fine.  I thought Killzone 3 was a good game, though admittedly flawed.  Games scoring in the 80s are usually good games, even if they're not to an individual's taste.  I'm not going to criticize Nintendo for making platformers just because I don't like them.

Sony's philosophy is to usually let studios try what they want.  It doesn't always work but I like it.  

However, I do feel like the era of first-party expansion is coming to an end.  We might see the odd addition here and there but contracting third-party studios for first party projects is going to get more and more popular with all three console manufacturers.  It has most of the benefits with way less risks and financial obligations.  People are just going to have to get used to it and restructure their lists accordingly.

I am talking personal taste. It's the only thing on which I can speak with any authority. And I think you have every right to complain about Nintendo as long as you provide justification.