Jumpin said:
DivinePaladin said:
Since when are Mario World, NSMB, and Sunshine silly spinoffs? I won't get into the argument about 3D World even though it's clearly also a mainline title, or why NSMBWii or U aren't, for that matter, but you cannot try and call the other games spinoffs.
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New Super Mario Bros was a retro style spinoff. It is a completely separate series.
Mario Sunshine is also a separate series. Miyamoto himself even confirmed that Sunshine wasn't Mario 128, the sequel to Mario 64 first announced in 1997 (128 was an experimental title which was ultimately scrapped and many of the elements it prototyped were taken and repackaged as Nintendo's new Mario 64 sequel, Super Mario Galaxy). Sunshine was a sequel to Luigi's Mansion, except featuring Mario. The game was about wearing a big squirt gun to shoot at goop all over the place.
I wasn't referring to Mario World, as it was the point 25 years ago I was referring to when we really stopped seeing a steady release of mainline Marios.
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So...you're cherry picking, then?
NSMB is not a separate series. Mario 2 USA was explicitly released as another game and it's considered a mainline Mario game, so why would an intentionally-designed Mario 5 be considered different, unless you're not personally a fan of it? Moreover, is Pikmin a mainline Mario game then? Because that's what happened to Mario 128. You can't shift the goalposts because it doesn't appeal to you personally. Sunshine, as much as I hate the game, is a mainline Mario title. Many ideas and characters from Sunshine appear later in other mainline Mario games, too, just as they did in Mario USA. Except, again, Mario USA wasn't even a Mario game when it first launched.
I won't even go into the fact that from 1985-1991 we had the same number of mainline Mario titles if not fewer (5) than we did from 2009-2015 (5 to 6 depending on if you want to count NSMB2, which actually plays like a spinoff due to the coin focus). Instead, I'm going to shift the goalposts too. Either Donkey Kong Jungle Beat is a mainline Mario game or Galaxy isn't. Galaxy was designed by that team, not the main Mario team, and takes many elements from Jungle Beat. The main Mario team at EAD worked on NSMB, though, and that doesn't count for some reason. So there, if we count Jungle Beat, we had the same amount of mainline Mario games
Do you see my point yet about how slippery the slope is when you decide to pick and choose which games you want to call "mainline?"
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