Consoles are far better optimised when it comes to getting the most out of it's hardware. The code is far cleaner as well. PC games have so many things to account for with resource allocation. Consoles aren't barred down from this nor a heavy OS. They are optimised for games and this kind of things. Go look at the specs of any console, now look at a PC with the same specs/build. You will find that the console version run's smoother and looks better. Why? Because it's optimised. That's why Consoles don't ever needs to be as strong as PC's to look good, but a powerful PC will obviously leave it in the dust. Of course that's up to the developers to take advantage of it and take the time to actually kink out the bugs.

Long story short. Yeah, it's enough to be 4k at 30 fps. At a console level, it may even be 60 fps in most games. Games that look on the calibre of Uncharted 4 or Horizon Zero Dawn. Fuck no.

Flops as in "6Tflops" isn't an accurate representation of performance and is no way a definite assumption that certain hardware is capable of rendering at a particular resolution with a degree of expected graphics quality.

In theory if a game is being rendered at 4k and you only have a 1080P monitor, then the console should downscale the image, resulting in superior image quality over a standard 1080P rendered image anyway.

Because Sony and Microsoft grab $200 off-the-shelf GPU's? No they don't.
They are already paying less than $200, significantly so. There is no dedicated extra Ram to buy, it leaches off system memory, over-engineered power delivery system is consolidated, there is no complex multi-layered PCB with tons of traces, there is no expensive dedicated cooler. And they buy in bulk.

There is this thing called compression.

Agreed!

To be fair the current Xbox One and Playstation 4 can technically do 4k gaming. Now, it doesn't happen because the hardware isn't fast enough.

You might be right that there will be some caveats, but we will have to wait and see... I think 1440P is the likely target with a serious increase in fidelity.

While you are right, consoles are a little different though, the software being run is usually a little leaner to keep within the processing budget.

Wasn't suggesting they were in the slightest, Here if the X360 had it's graphics card, double the system memory and even a free extra CPU core to mess around with, this is still how a PC with these specs would compare to the min requirements for the PC GTAV

Optimization =/= Magic, only some companies would have you believe it was.

Developers will always choose better graphical effects over resolution and frame rate as is evident by this generation already. It doesn't matter if the Scorpio is powerful enough to run Battlefield 1 at 4k 60fps, because Dice or whoever will just shove fancier shaders and other graphical effects on it instead.

Better graphics that are visible on a 1080p screen is not only easier to market but also benefits everyone with the machine, there WILL be people running Scorpio on a 1080p display, even though 4k is becoming more and more affordable.

So it probably won't do 4k 60fps on most games, but they'll look much better than the XBO equivelent.

30 fps XBO games won't run in native 4k and 60fps. That is obvious. Nobody ever said that it will magically bring us more frames, higher resolution and higher graphical settings at once. No idea why this is even something people discuss.

It should be either around same settings as the normal XBO version just in 4k (I guess that is possible) or, what I would prefer, to play still in 1080p but with better graphical settings and 60fps instead of 30fps (for singleplayer, competitive multiplayer should be the same for everyone)

Scorpio isn't even a new console generation, it still has 5x the teraflops as the XBO and people complain and complain and complain. It's getting ridiculous.  We get more threads about Scorpio whic his only an addition to XBO as we got about XBO, Wii U or PS4 when these were announced...

Always foolish to compare what a console can do compared to a PC, at the same spec consoles always far out strip PC's

That being said, unless MS actually mandate 60fps, expect a lot of games to be 30fps, developers will always push graphics to the point where they are happy to sacrifice frame rate.

What im more interested in is if MS will allow framerate and resolution options, for those still on HD teles they will want to drop to 1080p 60fps everytime

I feel like it should go without saying that he was lying/misleading consumers. 

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Anyway scorpio will absolutely be able to do 4k resolution with 30fps. We don't know exact perfomance of the gpu but it has >6 teraflops therefor is more powerful than the new radeon RX 480. From this we can conclude the gpu will be 10 % higher perfomance than radeon 390x and around 15-20 % than geforce 980.

I don't know if you were trolling or just didn't realise but your videos proved that scorpio will be able to do 4k30fps with very high setting. In the first video you posted, geforce 1070 manage 4k30fps just fine in all the games except assassin creed unity. And Scorpios gpu should be close to geforce 1070. 

Second video you posted geforce 980 managed around 25 fps in all games in 4k. And Scorpios gpu will be around 15-20 % faster than geforce 980.

Anyway I hope a moderator will edit your post with a warning that you are spreading misinformation, since what you posted is wrong.

The question is not if Scorpio can run 4k at 30 or 60fps, the question is if developers can make games at 4k and 30 or 60fps that can run in Scorpio. I say absolutely yes, if they put the necessary effort.

I feel like your right with this, the Neo is a in-between thing that isn't quite powerfull enough to really do much more the the original ps4  where as the scorpio will be more then powerfull enough to run PC-Like VR experiences and with some games will run 4K properly, actually, it will run a lot of games on 30fps/4k I am quite sure, which is a impressive feet!