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zero129 said:
Ruler said:

Just like Apple released their OSX or iOS store on PC or Android

Thats completly missing the point and not even the same thing.

Hint: Apple is already in the PC Market and in direct competiton in the OS market against MS.

The Mac is still techniclay a home computer, like the Amiga, commondore 64 or Fujitsu FM Towns. Apple isnt releasing their OS on PC, you have to buy their hardware in order to enjoy their software, sounds familiar?



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thismeintiel said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

Developers have the same freedom to use the Scorpio's power however they want just as they do with Neo, just more of it with Scorpio :)

Then why the 4K TV comment?  If they truly have the freedom to keep a game at 1080p, while pushing graphics, why would Spencer say the Scorpio will do nothing for you unless you have a 4K TV?  I think that's just wishful thinking on your part.

To me it seems they are just tired of being looked down at for having games run at a lower resolution, so they are coming out with a system that will output games at 4K.  And considering how much power that's going to take, I highly doubt they will be pushing anything else very much.  So, like I said, basically the same games, only in 4K.

Nah, they said devs can do with it what they want :)



zero129 said:
Swordmasterman said:

I'm not saying that there will be no other Xbox, I just said that Microsoft don't plan to stay in this Generation thing and that does not means that Sony or Nintendo should stop it or that it can't exist without Microsoft.

After saying that they will no longer have generations they have to make every game avaliable for the previous system despite how bad it runs on the System, and with that statement we will probably see Xbox Hardware more often than Playstation or Nintendo, but with different price tags.

Your reading it wrong trust me. This is no different then what Sony is also doing. Its no different then what Apple does.

The games will work up to a break off point and then thats it support dropped.

Its no different then how you cant run newer games made for Iphone 6 on an Iphone 1 etc unless the devs make it for them ios versions.

Sony said that they will still have the PS5, Microsoft stated that this is the End of Generations for the Xbox, there is a difference and neither of them are doing what Apple do, unless Microsoft, and Sony, start to overprice their products and release 1 per year.



Much of what you said make a lot of sense.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

MohammadBadir said:
Pre-Scorpio:
The PS4 has the best graphics, why would I buy an Xbone?
Post-Scorpio:
Graphics don't matter, PS4 is still gonna outsell it.

Except OP said the extra power won't bring better graphics to Scorpio because PS4 will have to big of a lead to make devs make a much better version for Scorpio when they also keep the compatibility. He may be wrong and devs use the power, but I didn't see he saying graphics wouldn't matter to him, but that it would hardly have better graphics or that common folks would care.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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Zekkyou said:
zero129 said:
i dont know how to reply back to both of you since both of you is gone completly off topic from what i was originally saying.

I mean you guys are going on about something of how MS is leaving generations and sony isnt, and the PS4k is just a more powerful ps4, and the xbox1 scorpio is the end of ms generations etc etc.

Whats this got to do with my original post?.

If you want to reply to more than 1 person, you can use the multi-quote button (it's next to quote). Press the MQ button for person A, then normal quote person B (or MQ person A, B, C, etc, then quote the last). All the quotes should be there, with room under each for your comment (or you can delete that space if you don't need it).

Hahahahahaha you made my day



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Power in fact doesn't mean success. PS2 dominated its gen despite being the weakest console (and the hardest to program). But I wish sony could reformulate Neo in order to catch Scopio power.



DonFerrari said:
MohammadBadir said:
Pre-Scorpio:
The PS4 has the best graphics, why would I buy an Xbone?
Post-Scorpio:
Graphics don't matter, PS4 is still gonna outsell it.

Except OP said the extra power won't bring better graphics to Scorpio because PS4 will have to big of a lead to make devs make a much better version for Scorpio when they also keep the compatibility. He may be wrong and devs use the power, but I didn't see he saying graphics wouldn't matter to him, but that it would hardly have better graphics or that common folks would care.

Just that for most games market lead wont matter. Basically every multiplat comes for PC. Yeah, some japanese games no mainstream customer cares about aren't. But that's it. One damn CoD is proably worth hundreds of 'minor' japanese games when it comes to console sales. Like it or not.

So here we are, games get developed for Windows PC, Windows Box and PS4. Actually Scorpio get's higher quality assets for free because of PC games. And with DirectX and Windows all that stuff can be ported easier. Actually it's not even a traditional port.

 

So, why the hell should the extra power not matter. Even if it's just another silly resolutiongate. So no, more power will be relevant. Not because of market leadership but because it's a no issue to use it. Again, the simple reason is PC gaming and Windows.

 

P.S.:

@ruler: Technically a modern Mac is a PC running on MacOS. It's not a home computer, hasn't been for almost a decade.



captain carot said:
DonFerrari said:

Except OP said the extra power won't bring better graphics to Scorpio because PS4 will have to big of a lead to make devs make a much better version for Scorpio when they also keep the compatibility. He may be wrong and devs use the power, but I didn't see he saying graphics wouldn't matter to him, but that it would hardly have better graphics or that common folks would care.

Just that for most games market lead wont matter. Basically every multiplat comes for PC. Yeah, some japanese games no mainstream customer cares about aren't. But that's it. One damn CoD is proably worth hundreds of 'minor' japanese games when it comes to console sales. Like it or not.

So here we are, games get developed for Windows PC, Windows Box and PS4. Actually Scorpio get's higher quality assets for free because of PC games. And with DirectX and Windows all that stuff can be ported easier. Actually it's not even a traditional port.

 

So, why the hell should the extra power not matter. Even if it's just another silly resolutiongate. So no, more power will be relevant. Not because of market leadership but because it's a no issue to use it. Again, the simple reason is PC gaming and Windows.

 

P.S.:

@ruler: Technically a modern Mac is a PC running on MacOS. It's not a home computer, hasn't been for almost a decade.

Yep you can disagree with him and say that the extra power will be used because of the reasons you gave (which might not end up happening since we have also seen with PS4 and X1 the 3rd party don't make much of their time optimizing the versions. So it Scorpio is 30% more powerfull they may not really use it), but you can't say that he said graphics is irrelevant.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

I think Neo will benefit in a similar way how the Wii did as the In-between console in terms of price of entry for both, console and VR gaming.

As long as Sony keep churning out the exclusives, the power difference won't matter as you will never see those games elsewhere just like during the PS2 days.

I think the price point of the Scorpio will need to be spot on because if it's too high, they will lose a lot of their PC / Xbox customers to PC, and that doesn't necessarily mean UWP will benefit outside of the exclusives.