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Barkley said:
"I’m not a big fan of Xbox One and a half. If we’re going to move forward, I want to move forward in big numbers.
I want it to be a really substantial change for people – an upgrade."

That's something he said back then, his comment about not wanting an XBO and a half was more about he didn't want a box that was a small jump, if they released another machine it would have to be substantially more powerful.

Exactly right, no hypocrite at all. MS are releasing a whole new console.



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Now that Spencer is coming out of his role of fixing someone else's mistakes, Captain Hindsight style, and is actually coming under the same pressure as the ones before him (launching new platforms) he is slowly devolving into Don Mattrick 2.0 and making similar mistakes. He'll be kicked out in 2018



Hiku said:
crissindahouse said:

How exactly did he lie? He never said he is against a 4-5x stronger mid-gen upgrade. He only said he wants a big jump and it clearly is one. He probaly meant he doesn't want a 2x jump or something like that because that would be not good in his opinion.

Spencer does say some weird stuff sometimes but this is absolutely not one of them. 

He said "I’m not a big fan of Xbox One and a half. If we’re going to move forward, I want to move forward in big numbers."

Scorpio is Xbox One and a half. It's not as big of a leap as a completely new next gen console. It doesn't offer any new software, etc.

It's PR though. They all lie. It's their job. Nintendo for example claimed that Majora's Mask 3D wasn't in development, months before it was released. ND said they had no plans to release The Last of Us on PS4, etc.

That's what you make out of it. You say that Scorpio is Xbox One and a half. Just one sentence later he said that if he moves forward he wants to move forward in big numbers. And that is Scorpio for him and many others if you look at the specs. 

So no, he never lied. He moved forward in big numbers (almost 5x the teraflops is big for many) and he didn't go the "Xbox One and a half" route which was in his opinion probably something like a console 2x as strong as XBO. 

Just because you guys want to interpret his words as you like doesn't make him a liar in this regards. 

Just talking about the teraflops and not the other specs, the jump is almost as big as from 360 to XBO. Yes, I guess it's not hard to see that this means to him "a big jump"



Ali_16x said:
Didn't this guy also say that VR wasn't a thing or something like that pretty much downplaying VR. Now he's all in lol.

Downplaying not really I am not sure what his correct words were but I defended him because he meant this generation/current consoles and I agreed with him.

I feel the major reason why Neo and scorpio are in development is for VR. I will not be surprised that you can play Ace Combat on PS4 but if you want a stable great performance for VR you will need a Neo and it will be simular with some Xbox games. 






konnichiwa said:
Ali_16x said:
Didn't this guy also say that VR wasn't a thing or something like that pretty much downplaying VR. Now he's all in lol.

Downplaying not really I am not sure what his correct words were but I defended him because he meant this generation/current consoles and I agreed with him.

I feel the major reason why Neo and scorpio are in development is for VR. I will not be surprised that you can play Ace Combat on PS4 but if you want a stable great performance for VR you will need a Neo and it will be simular with some Xbox games. 

Im still not sure why people keep saying this, they even said it on the conference and multiple developers have already said this, VR works fine on the regular PS4 so please stop saying that people. The PS4 Neo is being made because the consoles are underpowered compared to modern PCs, plain and simple. And too give consumers more choices.



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crissindahouse said:
Hiku said:

He said "I’m not a big fan of Xbox One and a half. If we’re going to move forward, I want to move forward in big numbers."

Scorpio is Xbox One and a half. It's not as big of a leap as a completely new next gen console. It doesn't offer any new software, etc.

It's PR though. They all lie. It's their job. Nintendo for example claimed that Majora's Mask 3D wasn't in development, months before it was released. ND said they had no plans to release The Last of Us on PS4, etc.

That's what you make out of it. You say that Scorpio is Xbox One and a half. Just one sentence later he said that if he moves forward he wants to move forward in big numbers. And that is Scorpio for him and many others if you look at the specs. 

So no, he never lied. He moved forward in big numbers (almost 5x the teraflops is big for many) and he didn't go the "Xbox One and a half" route which was in his opinion probably something like a console 2x as strong as XBO. 

Just because you guys want to interpret his words as you like doesn't make him a liar in this regards. 

Just talking about the teraflops and not the other specs, the jump is almost as big as from 360 to XBO. Yes, I guess it's not hard to see that this means to him "a big jump"

Sounds like someones getting worked up xD



kowenicki said:
ArchangelMadzz said:

It will only look different if you have a HDR 4K tv. DF always talk about image quality aswell as resolution as they are 2 seperate things. 

The feel only changes if performance increases, which if it did I'm sure Microsoft would be the first to mention it. Gears developers said if there is a boost it'll be slightly framerate wise in hectic sections of the game, so basically dipping to 27 instead of 25. Obviously that's me throwing numbers but there is nothing at all to suggest a performance boost. And they'd be silly to do so.

I have a 4k suhd hdr tv.

Well then that's the whole point? xD 

It'll be interesting to see how One S's upscaler varies to built in upscalers in 4k's. Let us know if you notice significant changes as I remember you saying it's day one for you.



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Ali_16x said:
konnichiwa said:

Downplaying not really I am not sure what his correct words were but I defended him because he meant this generation/current consoles and I agreed with him.

I feel the major reason why Neo and scorpio are in development is for VR. I will not be surprised that you can play Ace Combat on PS4 but if you want a stable great performance for VR you will need a Neo and it will be simular with some Xbox games. 

Im still not sure why people keep saying this, they even said it on the conference and multiple developers have already said this, VR works fine on the regular PS4 so please stop saying that people. The PS4 Neo is being made because the consoles are underpowered compared to modern PCs, plain and simple. And too give consumers more choices.

Because I am into Vr. I am a member of Spider gaming: http://spidergaming.org Who exist out mostly VR gamers and VR fans. The founder is Zimtok5 who has become the biggest VR streamer https://www.twitch.tv/zimtok5/profile and we help developpers/indie gamers with testing their VR games and you could even see an appearance from us with AngryJoe who needed our help.

We know that if you want to play Vr games you need some power because playing games under 90 FPS is a bitch. I was one of the first people to say that PS4 needs more  power for high end VR games to work and I don't see it as an coincidence that NEO/Scorpio are coming and how both are stretching that you can still play the same games but I am pretty sure they both know that some VR games will be a bitch on the current consoles. My bet is that Sony will have a conference about the Neo or mention it in a conference that Neo will release with a bundle that comes with Star Wars Battlefront II/Ace combat + VR that will be great to play and that at the same time we will have plenty of articles how those games are a bitch to play with vr on the current consoles.

Really this was the last conference before PSVR releases and we saw nothing high end yet. Modders on PC make games like Battlefront etc with VR possible in less than a month so it should have been so easy for Sony/Ms to have a team making current games work with VR.  how crazy would it have been if they announced Destiny/battlefront/GTA V will work with VR?  EA/Activision would not be against it in fact they want it but all we see is just missions why?  You have battlefront with VR already : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTbNCCUDoVw






He wasn't lying, he doesn't like midgen upgrades. Instead, they are introducing a new console for a new generation and ending this one early because they got slaughtered. The slim was also no surprise, they engineered the xb1 with so much free space inside. I honestly don't know why people support this company on the video games front.
Ms should just focus on what it does best and make games. Their consoles have been, at best, average, and they ended a gen early already with the Xbox og.



kowenicki said:
ArchangelMadzz said:

Well then that's the whole point? xD 

It'll be interesting to see how One S's upscaler varies to built in upscalers in 4k's. Let us know if you notice significant changes as I remember you saying it's day one for you.

no you dont.  you remeber me saying scorpio was day one.

Oh my bad! Haha, well either way it'll be interesting to know from someone who gets it, either way Digital Foundary would probably be on the case when August comes. 



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