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jimmay said:
pakidan101 said:
jimmay said:
Xyrax said:
jimmay said:
Well this thread took a predictable turn. As for the wii and laggy controls, yes the wiimote does lag, i've played 8 different wii's on 8 different t.v.'s round various friends houses and the wiimote is like using a wireless mouse compared to a wired one. It's not a massive difference and most people won't know any different but to players who want the most accurate controls from a game console the wiimote is not the answer.

Even if you are somehow experiencing some IR lag with the pointer, its moot, because dual analog STILL isnt going to match the speed and precision of a freaking pointer anyway. And that was his point, that the dual analog > pointer due to this "lag" he is experiencing. If there is ANY lag at all, it is barely perceptible (unless something is interfering with your hardware) and even in that state its going to be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dual analog in terms of speed and accuracy. There is just no way you can compare the two.

Now perhaps the man just doesnt like holding the Wiimote and pointing it at his screen, perhaps thats not as comfortable to him as a traditional controller is. That is fine, but dual analog is not faster and more accurate that a pointer that you can whip about so easily. The wiimote is as accurate and as fast as you can be. The dual analog config just cant touch the pointer in that area. The complete control a human being has over his/her on hand acceleration alone removes any chance that a DA setup can match a pointer.

It would be like doing a powerpoint presentation at work during a meeting, and using a IR light pointer to point to objects from a projector on the wall, then replacing said IR like with a freaking trackball mouse. Due to design the pointer is just going to be superior, period.


Erm nope, dual analog has less lag than the wiimote and is more accurate.


.....erm..what?!? I know that is prolly your opinion, but that isn't fact. That isn't even an educated opinion, that is a "I'm used to this style so therefore that style is better than the so-called improved style" opinion. Have you tried playing RE4 with a PS2 controller, then RE4 with a Wii controller? If not, try it. You will see how much faster and accurate the Wii controller set-up really is. Until then, it's stubborness that is speaking.
Nope not my opinion, it's a fact because i have constantly experenced it myself. Instead of just saying the wiimote is more accurate than dual analog, why don't you back it up, show me a link where a respected independent website proves that the wiimote is more accurate. As for resident evil 4, the game was supposed to be slow moving to make the game more scary, it wasn't that the dual anolog controls couldn't be any better.

I AM an independant website and can confirm the Wii properly set up has zero perceptible lag and aiming is far faster than with an analog control stick.

 

If your thumbs move with greater speed and accuracy than your entire arm, you have issues that none of us here can solve for you.

 



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"Wiimote Lag" may or may not exist depending on what you are refering to ... If you're talking about lag in communication, this is no worse than the lag caused by the PS3/XBox 360 controller and you probably won't notice this unless you have something set up incorrectly. There is some lag with the Wiimote when you are performing gestures because a certain ammount of motion has to exist in order to trigger the action the gesture represents; for example, you have to swing the wiimote for a 1/4 of a second (to pick a number) in order for your Mii in Wii Sports to swing their tennis racket.

In a game like Metroid Prime 3, which doesn't rely on motion controlls as heavily as other games, the lag should be no worse than a PS3 or XBox 360 game; and when you factor in the added speed and accuracy of the direct pointing of the Wiimote it should be far better than a PS3 or XBox 360 game.



Still waiting for a link to a RESPECTED independent website that proves that the wiimote is more accurate than dual anolog instead of people stamping their feet and repeating their opinions over and over again. Their's nothing wrong with the setup of any of the t.v.'s or wii's i've played on and no i don't 'suck' at games because i used to be a pro gamer and in most games i play if their is some kind of leaderboard im normally near the top of it.



jimmay said:
Still waiting for a link to a RESPECTED independent website that proves that the wiimote is more accurate than dual anolog instead of people stamping their feet and repeating their opinions over and over again.

We've played this game before ... The only review you could find where the Wiimote was considered worse than dual analogue was Red Steel, in games like Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition there are quotes like " ... you'll discover the strengths of the new scheme and why, ultimately, the new Wii controls are superior." and  "... Using the Wii remote, you can point at the screen and aim with a higher level of accuracy and speed than was previously possible." and " the extra speed and accuracy count for a lot. Birds that flew away before you could cap them in the GCN build will be a breeze to shoot dead in the Wii game. Headshots will come more naturally. Targeting legs and arms won't pose a problem. You will with very little practice be able to walk through environments with the analog stick, all the while setting up your next shot with pinpoint accuracy using the Wii remote. It's an undeniable improvement in control and one that helps you play better. " (IGN http://wii.ign.com/articles/797/797837p2.html )

 



HappySqurriel said:
jimmay said:
Still waiting for a link to a RESPECTED independent website that proves that the wiimote is more accurate than dual anolog instead of people stamping their feet and repeating their opinions over and over again.

We've played this game before ... The only review you could find where the Wiimote was considered worse than dual analogue was Red Steel, in games like Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition there are quotes like " ... you'll discover the strengths of the new scheme and why, ultimately, the new Wii controls are superior." and "... Using the Wii remote, you can point at the screen and aim with a higher level of accuracy and speed than was previously possible." and " the extra speed and accuracy count for a lot. Birds that flew away before you could cap them in the GCN build will be a breeze to shoot dead in the Wii game. Headshots will come more naturally. Targeting legs and arms won't pose a problem. You will with very little practice be able to walk through environments with the analog stick, all the while setting up your next shot with pinpoint accuracy using the Wii remote. It's an undeniable improvement in control and one that helps you play better. " (IGN http://wii.ign.com/articles/797/797837p2.html )

 


No red steel wasnt the only game i could find, you said i couldnt even find one game that shows the wiimote having worse controls than dual analog and 30 seconds later after i did i quick search i found a review that said so. Resident evil 4 doesn't prove anything. The game was designed to be slow and you couldn't move your cursor around quickly not because the dual analog setup was incapable of doing that, it was deliberatly setup that way to make the game more scary.



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jimmay said:
Still waiting for a link to a RESPECTED independent website that proves that the wiimote is more accurate than dual anolog instead of people stamping their feet and repeating their opinions over and over again. Their's nothing wrong with the setup of any of the t.v.'s or wii's i've played on and no i don't 'suck' at games because i used to be a pro gamer and in most games i play if their is some kind of leaderboard im normally near the top of it.

" Samus controls better in Prime 3 than she ever has before. In fact, the heroine's tight maneuverability and speed nurture a level of accuracy never before possible in a console-based first-person experience."

 http://wii.ign.com/articles/803/803978p1.html



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jimmay said:
Still waiting for a link to a RESPECTED independent website that proves that the wiimote is more accurate than dual anolog instead of people stamping their feet and repeating their opinions over and over again. Their's nothing wrong with the setup of any of the t.v.'s or wii's i've played on and no i don't 'suck' at games because i used to be a pro gamer and in most games i play if their is some kind of leaderboard im normally near the top of it.

And I am waiting for your link to a respected website that says dual-analog is better than wiimote. I guess we will both be waiting a while.



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jimmay said:
Still waiting for a link to a RESPECTED independent website that proves that the wiimote is more accurate than dual anolog instead of people stamping their feet and repeating their opinions over and over again. Their's nothing wrong with the setup of any of the t.v.'s or wii's i've played on and no i don't 'suck' at games because i used to be a pro gamer and in most games i play if their is some kind of leaderboard im normally near the top of it.

 

Did you wait for some magazine to tell you dual analog was more accurate than keyboards/mouse before you would play on a console? 



FishyJoe said:
 

 

Did you wait for some magazine to tell you dual analog was more accurate than keyboards/mouse before you would play on a console? 


The part that makes me sad is I know there must be some terrible magazine out there that has claimed dual-analog is more accurate than keyboard+mouse. It makes me weep for the readers of those magazines.



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FJ-Warez said:
jimmay said:
Still waiting for a link to a RESPECTED independent website that proves that the wiimote is more accurate than dual anolog instead of people stamping their feet and repeating their opinions over and over again. Their's nothing wrong with the setup of any of the t.v.'s or wii's i've played on and no i don't 'suck' at games because i used to be a pro gamer and in most games i play if their is some kind of leaderboard im normally near the top of it.

" Samus controls better in Prime 3 than she ever has before. In fact, the heroine's tight maneuverability and speed nurture a level of accuracy never before possible in a console-based first-person experience."

http://wii.ign.com/articles/803/803978p1.html


*smashes head against brick wall*

no i'm talking about in one instance with one game that can't be directly compared with anything, i am talking overall, i'm talking about scientific tests where a respected indepentent website makes identical movements will the wiimote and dual analog sticks and measures the amount of time it takes for movement. And incase you haven't noticed ign is split upto into sections for each console and the people that run each section are fanboys of said console.