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Mr Puggsly on 30 June 2016
DonFerrari said:
Mr Puggsly said:

You said, "Just like they did for Xbox One right? Still waiting for it. We were promissed."

So I dunno, maybe I misunderstood?

You either misunderstood or purpousely spin it, I wouldn't know.

But You said like you were certain MS would use their money to ensure a more powerfull and cheaper machine, the same other users said before this gen started, that is what I meant that on the promissed because those users were basically promissing it, just like you were in this thread.

Youre making assumptions of what I expected in the past.

I expect Scorpio to be competitively priced and there is no need to argue about it. If I'm wrong, oh well. MS is making a mistake if they dont.



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Mr Puggsly on 30 June 2016
DonFerrari said:
Mr Puggsly said:

You said, "Just like they did for Xbox One right? Still waiting for it. We were promissed."

So I dunno, maybe I misunderstood?

You either misunderstood or purpousely spin it, I wouldn't know.

But You said like you were certain MS would use their money to ensure a more powerfull and cheaper machine, the same other users said before this gen started, that is what I meant that on the promissed because those users were basically promissing it, just like you were in this thread.

Youre making assumptions of what I expected in the past.

I expect Scorpio to be competitively priced and there is no need to argue about it. If I'm wrong, oh well. MS is making a mistake if they dont.



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DonFerrari on 30 June 2016
Mr Puggsly said:
DonFerrari said:

You either misunderstood or purpousely spin it, I wouldn't know.

But You said like you were certain MS would use their money to ensure a more powerfull and cheaper machine, the same other users said before this gen started, that is what I meant that on the promissed because those users were basically promissing it, just like you were in this thread.

Youre making assumptions of what I expected in the past.

I expect Scorpio to be competitively priced and there is no need to argue about it. If I'm wrong, oh well. MS is making a mistake if they dont.

Nope, I was talking about there being a lot of users saying it in the past and now you talking about it.

And you changed your talk a little to now being competitive while a little before you were more on the "it will certainly be stronger and cheaper than what Sony has to offer because they have ton of money to throw at it".



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Mr Puggsly on 30 June 2016
DonFerrari said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Youre making assumptions of what I expected in the past.

I expect Scorpio to be competitively priced and there is no need to argue about it. If I'm wrong, oh well. MS is making a mistake if they dont.

Nope, I was talking about there being a lot of users saying it in the past and now you talking about it.

And you changed your talk a little to now being competitive while a little before you were more on the "it will certainly be stronger and cheaper than what Sony has to offer because they have ton of money to throw at it".

Yeah, they could afford a hit on the hardware and I'm leaning on they will.

Now get worked up about that response. Its evident you wanna argue.



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DonFerrari on 30 June 2016
Mr Puggsly said:
DonFerrari said:

Nope, I was talking about there being a lot of users saying it in the past and now you talking about it.

And you changed your talk a little to now being competitive while a little before you were more on the "it will certainly be stronger and cheaper than what Sony has to offer because they have ton of money to throw at it".

Yeah, they could afford a hit on the hardware and I'm leaning on they will.

Now get worked up about that response. Its evident you wanna argue.

So why didn't they do the same for the X1?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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Mr Puggsly on 30 June 2016
DonFerrari said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Yeah, they could afford a hit on the hardware and I'm leaning on they will.

Now get worked up about that response. Its evident you wanna argue.

So why didn't they do the same for the X1?

Arrogance. Which I think is gone at this point.

Arrogance is why we also saw a $599 console from Sony.



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DonFerrari on 01 July 2016
Mr Puggsly said:
DonFerrari said:

So why didn't they do the same for the X1?

Arrogance. Which I think is gone at this point.

Arrogance is why we also saw a $599 console from Sony.

A console that at that price costed 800 to manufacture.. so wasn't exactly arrogance... could be more on overconfidence or bad reading of the market.

They still aren't putting the price of X1 very low, so are they still arrogant?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Mr Puggsly on 01 July 2016
DonFerrari said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Arrogance. Which I think is gone at this point.

Arrogance is why we also saw a $599 console from Sony.

A console that at that price costed 800 to manufacture.. so wasn't exactly arrogance... could be more on overconfidence or bad reading of the market.

They still aren't putting the price of X1 very low, so are they still arrogant?

They shouldn't have made a console that expensive to manufacture. The 360 had similar capabilities at a much lower price, even better GPU.

The X1 is like $70 cheaper. That's pretty significant.



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DonFerrari on 01 July 2016
Mr Puggsly said:
DonFerrari said:

A console that at that price costed 800 to manufacture.. so wasn't exactly arrogance... could be more on overconfidence or bad reading of the market.

They still aren't putting the price of X1 very low, so are they still arrogant?

They shouldn't have made a console that expensive to manufacture. The 360 had similar capabilities at a much lower price, even better GPU.

The X1 is like $70 cheaper. That's pretty significant.

I agree with you that they shouldn't had expended that much on the manufacturing of the console... and that Cell being quite exquisite plus Bluray made things quite skyrocket for it.... I do like to be able to play bluray on it, but considering Netflix coming it ended up only helping win a format war at the expense of users and a lot of money. So I wouldn't say they were arrogant (besides the "get two jobs" thing).

Yep it's significant (even if officially it's 50) but considering the impact it got I wouldn't say it's really that impressive and that they are probably selling at break even, not at loss to win more market like you say you expect Scorpio to come. And as a let down at the moment Slim pre-ordering is only for the more expensive version on Amazon as far as I saw.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Mr Puggsly on 01 July 2016
DonFerrari said:
Mr Puggsly said:

They shouldn't have made a console that expensive to manufacture. The 360 had similar capabilities at a much lower price, even better GPU.

The X1 is like $70 cheaper. That's pretty significant.

I agree with you that they shouldn't had expended that much on the manufacturing of the console... and that Cell being quite exquisite plus Bluray made things quite skyrocket for it.... I do like to be able to play bluray on it, but considering Netflix coming it ended up only helping win a format war at the expense of users and a lot of money. So I wouldn't say they were arrogant (besides the "get two jobs" thing).

Yep it's significant (even if officially it's 50) but considering the impact it got I wouldn't say it's really that impressive and that they are probably selling at break even, not at loss to win more market like you say you expect Scorpio to come. And as a let down at the moment Slim pre-ordering is only for the more expensive version on Amazon as far as I saw.

The Cell had great capabilities that obviously had little benefit in games. They should have opted for a cheaper and more common CPU like 360 and perhaps invest more in GPU. I dont think the Bluray drive impacted price as much as the processor. Bluray wasnt essential for 7th gen gaming though.

As release comes close the X1 S will probably offer pre orders for the $299 model.

Even if they are selling it at a break even price, its still competitively priced. Even cheaper than Wii U right now. But 360 was the the cheaper console for much of last gen as well.



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