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Forums - Gaming - [Opinion] Sony pulled NEO from E3 because they realized it would be the weakest of the 3 consoles within a year

They maybe pulled it from E3 because they don't want to make the mistake MS did: killing their current console by announcing its 18 months away replacement.

If you want to launch a new version of your console, announce it as close as possible to the actual launch. Don't scream "Don't buy our console now, wait for new infos next year!" to your customers...



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Can't agree. Most rumors had the NX at standard XOne or PS4 power. So Neo wouldn't be the weakest. I do think it's weaker than Scorpio but it will also launch sooner and cheaper.



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vivster said:
IamAwsome said:

Sony was on top of the world in 2005. Did that carry on into 2007? No. The PS4 is set for the next year or so, but we have NO CLUE whatsoever how Neo/Scorpio/NX will pan out. Insisting that Sony is invincible because the PS4 is doing well is not the best thing to do. 

Sony won the gen despite coming from behind. Name another manufacturer who ever managed it.

I don't care how many Wii's were sold. It is a dead console while PS3s are still selling. Wii did nothing for Nintendo's brand strength, if anything it weakened it. While the PS3 managed to strengthen the brand, spawning the new IPs that are currently also carrying the PS4.

MS will not be able to ever defeat Sony simply because of the much much weaker brand and the missing exclusives. Nintendo is already dead and the Wii U proves its dwindling fan base.

But the PS3 will never reach Wii numbers despite it still selling. The Wii is a perfect example from coming from behind to win an entire gen.



bigtakilla said:
vivster said:

Sony won the gen despite coming from behind. Name another manufacturer who ever managed it.

I don't care how many Wii's were sold. It is a dead console while PS3s are still selling. Wii did nothing for Nintendo's brand strength, if anything it weakened it. While the PS3 managed to strengthen the brand, spawning the new IPs that are currently also carrying the PS4.

MS will not be able to ever defeat Sony simply because of the much much weaker brand and the missing exclusives. Nintendo is already dead and the Wii U proves its dwindling fan base.

But the PS3 will never reach Wii numbers despite it still selling. The Wii is a perfect example from coming from behind to win an entire gen.

What did Nintendo win exactly? Temporary money? The Wii did nothing for Nintendo which is quite obvious when looking at the Wii U. The PS3 however paved the way for the PS4 success while selling only slightly less than the Wii. You tell me who actually won anything from last gen.



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vivster said:
bigtakilla said:

But the PS3 will never reach Wii numbers despite it still selling. The Wii is a perfect example from coming from behind to win an entire gen.

What did Nintendo win exactly? Temporary money? The Wii did nothing for Nintendo which is quite obvious when looking at the Wii U. The PS3 however paved the way for the PS4 success while selling only slightly less than the Wii. You tell me who actually won anything from last gen.

I don't agree. Wii grabbed peoples attention and the Wii U didn't. Ones failure is not the fault of the others.



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The history of rumors say Sony has make Neo first to have better perfomnce in vr The developers cry from boringness that don't want this. Then the new rumors say AMD stop the prodact on chips and starts new and smaller and that force both to updgrade there consoles to avoid cost to make there own chips
Then the day i know it it come ms rumor about xbox 2 ( i mean it was obvious with xbone sales)
Suddenly no cry boringness from developers everything was fine :)

So is a big possibility Sony does not make 6 tflops ps4 because they don't need them but ms desperation and abillity they have from money prespective, to not lose nothing wnen kill the xbone so soon, make sony to step back
Sony now create ps4 Neo also with 6TFLOPS maybe more? :)



 

 

vivster said:
Nautilus said:

You confuse common sense with assumptions.The 360 last generation was selling much better than the PS3, but Sony managed to turn the tides of it, comercially speaking of course.That is an example to show that you can turn the tides of things.But most importanly, Scorpio will be a new generation, by the way Microsoft explained it.They said Scorpio would have backwards compatibility, but never said the other way around would work.And even if it did, then the console would have no appeal at all, since it couldnt use the full potential of the console(or the XOne version would suck to the point that the true version to play is going to be the Scorpio one).By that I mean, Microsoft is going for a new market.And we dont know what the NX is, and we dont know what market it is targeting.

So yeah, if Sony gets cocky because it is winning now, we will have a PS3 situation all over again.

No, that is an example of how SONY can easily turn tides. Simply because they have the stronger lineup. Sony is able to come back from behind because it is the much much stronger brand than Nintendo or Microsoft. And currently they're so much in the lead, it's not even funny anymore. They have the lead, they have the stronger brand. They have been the most successful console manufacturer since they entered the race.

The competors have nothing to beat it. Sony is too far ahead.

LOL

No, it isnt.You could say that NOW they have a better brand awareness than the two of them, but much stronger?No way in hell, especially since Nintendo KILLED Sony and Microsoft last gen.But even in the NOW, Nintendo have much better brand streght.Sony is doing so well now because of mainly two things:First they did all things right.Marketing, third party deals, PR, and so on.Second is that they have all western third party and most japanese third party game go only to PS.So most things that makes them successful arent actually in their control.If Nintendo gets their shit together(And I agree its going to be hard) and gets third party support and japanese support, and supposing that their version arent lesser than the other ones, Sony will have NOTHING on Nintendo.Nintendo IP, brand awareness, nostalgia would just run over Sony in that regard.Sony has some good IPs, but not nearly in the same quantity or quality as Nintendo.

Sony is ahead now, but anything can happen in the next few years.



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pokoko said:
Nautilus said:

You confuse common sense with assumptions.The 360 last generation was selling much better than the PS3, but Sony managed to turn the tides of it, comercially speaking of course.That is an example to show that you can turn the tides of things.But most importanly, Scorpio will be a new generation, by the way Microsoft explained it.They said Scorpio would have backwards compatibility, but never said the other way around would work.And even if it did, then the console would have no appeal at all, since it couldnt use the full potential of the console(or the XOne version would suck to the point that the true version to play is going to be the Scorpio one).By that I mean, Microsoft is going for a new market.And we dont know what the NX is, and we dont know what market it is targeting.

So yeah, if Sony gets cocky because it is winning now, we will have a PS3 situation all over again.

They said fully compatible.  

"Project Scorpio will launch at the Holiday season in 2017, but most notable is the fact that all games and all accessories will work across the Xbox One, the Xbox One S and Project Scorpio."  https://www.engadget.com/2016/06/13/microsoft-announces-a-new-super-powered-xbox-console-project-sc/

This is a mid-generation upgrade.  That's why this is not a big deal and most likely not a game-changer.

Then I think Scorpio is simply stupid.I mean, its going to be 4 times more powerful and wont be able to use nearly half the power because its going to be hold back because of XOne.Or the Scorpio version will be so much better, that if you play the XOne version, you will feel like playing a different game, much like Black Ops 3 with the current and last gen versions.

I dont know, I cant see nothing good coming out of this.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

Nautilus said:
vivster said:

No, that is an example of how SONY can easily turn tides. Simply because they have the stronger lineup. Sony is able to come back from behind because it is the much much stronger brand than Nintendo or Microsoft. And currently they're so much in the lead, it's not even funny anymore. They have the lead, they have the stronger brand. They have been the most successful console manufacturer since they entered the race.

The competors have nothing to beat it. Sony is too far ahead.

LOL

No, it isnt.You could say that NOW they have a better brand awareness than the two of them, but much stronger?No way in hell, especially since Nintendo KILLED Sony and Microsoft last gen.But even in the NOW, Nintendo have much better brand streght.Sony is doing so well now because of mainly two things:First they did all things right.Marketing, third party deals, PR, and so on.Second is that they have all western third party and most japanese third party game go only to PS.So most things that makes them successful arent actually in their control.If Nintendo gets their shit together(And I agree its going to be hard) and gets third party support and japanese support, and supposing that their version arent lesser than the other ones, Sony will have NOTHING on Nintendo.Nintendo IP, brand awareness, nostalgia would just run over Sony in that regard.Sony has some good IPs, but not nearly in the same quantity or quality as Nintendo.

Sony is ahead now, but anything can happen in the next few years.

I wouldn't call selling 10% more consoles than a console with a really bad start as "killing". Sony's brand strength is never selling less than 80 million consoles. What exactly is Nintendo's strength? A brand so strong that it can't even convince 15m people to buy a console with many great exclusives that they can't get anywhere else? Doesn't sound that strong to me. BTW having3rd party exclzusives is a greatsign of brand strength and proper management and public relations. If Nintendo can't even entice developers making games for their console how can they hope to entice people to buy their console?

The PS3 sold millions more software than the Wii despite being millions of units behind. Only shows how low Nintendo consumer's investment is with their consoles.

Nintendo beat Sony once in 4 console cycles. Slightly.



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Nautilus said:
pokoko said:

They said fully compatible.  

"Project Scorpio will launch at the Holiday season in 2017, but most notable is the fact that all games and all accessories will work across the Xbox One, the Xbox One S and Project Scorpio."  https://www.engadget.com/2016/06/13/microsoft-announces-a-new-super-powered-xbox-console-project-sc/

This is a mid-generation upgrade.  That's why this is not a big deal and most likely not a game-changer.

Then I think Scorpio is simply stupid.I mean, its going to be 4 times more powerful and wont be able to use nearly half the power because its going to be hold back because of XOne.Or the Scorpio version will be so much better, that if you play the XOne version, you will feel like playing a different game, much like Black Ops 3 with the current and last gen versions.

I dont know, I cant see nothing good coming out of this.

It's just like buying a $1200 PC instead of a $800 PC.  People will pay a LOT of money to play Ultra High instead of High.

Scorpio/Neo are for better visuals, better framerate, 4K gaming, and VR.  Xbox One, especially, has trouble with resolution, so that should be solved.