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JRPGfan on 02 June 2016
KingdomHeartsFan said:

Is someone who said the Paper Mario games don't need a story and should limit their characters losing his touch?  Yes...yes he is.

Behold Miyamoto's brilliance

Thats honestly sad.

I dont see why nintendo cant just make another TTYD type paper mario game for their home console.



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Lonely_Dolphin on 02 June 2016
JRPGfan said:

Thats honestly sad.

I dont see why nintendo cant just make another TTYD type paper mario game for their home console.

 

Sadder still, Sticker Star originally was being developed as a true TTYD sequel, until Miyamoto saw it and told IS "it's too much like TTYD." If that right there is not being completely out of touch then I don't know what is.



tripenfall on 02 June 2016

While I rate him as the greatest developer of all time my faith in him has been rocked by his recent output. Star Fox Zero is a mess of a game that plays worse than the 1997 predecessor.



Jumpin on 02 June 2016
Fei-Hung said:
CaptainExplosion said:

But what can we, as gamers, do to put enough pressure on them to change for the better?

Honestly speaking, for Nintendo I'm not sure. If you ignore the Wii and look at N64, GameCube and WiiU sales, it seems it is a core fanbase keeping Nintendo going. That isn't necessarily a bad thing as if they deliver what the fans want they can still be successful. 

 

I think Nintendo needs to go back to its roots and cater to them instead of 3rd parties like EA etc. They need the 3D Marios, Zelda's, Lylat Wars, Pokemon Stadium, Harvest Moon, Banjo Kazooi, Goldeneye etc.

 

They've done it before, there is no reason why they can't do it again. However, that's what I want from Nintendo. What someone else wants might be entirely different. 

The big failings with N64, Gamecube, and Wii U are largely that those consoles do not have the same sort of Nintendo feeling that NES, Wii, and SNES have.  All three also have very awkward and unintuitive controllers. Whereas the NES, Wii, and SNES all had very straight forward and intuitive controllers.

Even though the N64 had more sales than the Gamecube, I think that console was easily the biggest mistake Nintendo ever made: expensive cartridges, alienating nearly all of their business partners, and the dryest dought in Nintendo's history. The only thing that really offset the N64's terrible mistakes was that it had an unusually large number of Killer Apps: Mario 64, GE007, and Ocarina of Time.

The Gamecube had a very bad image, the kid sized DVDs, the handle so kids could carry it around like a lunchbox, and the noisy springy Fisher-Price controller. While games were a lot cheaper on Gamecube, it completely lacked a killer app, the first of the two times a Nintendo console did this.

Then there's the Wii U. No killer app, an unappealing controller, and functionality that does not live up to its promise. It was a sad story on both hardware and software fronts.

 

As for the main topic. I have no idea if Miyamoto is losing his touch. He is the soul of Nintendo, the person who shaped Nintendo into what we know it as. I'm going to wait and see how Zelda NX and Super Mario NX do before making that judgment. But from what I understand, he retired from taking a big part in the dev process years ago. So maybe it's the lack of a strong Miyamoto presence that's the issue these days. http://www.wired.com/2011/12/miyamoto-interview/



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Kerotan on 02 June 2016
Miyamotoo said:
Kerotan said:

Yeah I played them.  My little sister is a Nintendo fan.  Your reply to me is irrelevant because it's based on false assumptions.  

He's lost his touch but I'd go one step further and say Nintendo are losing their touch.  They're losing a lot of market share these past few years. 

Pikmin 3 is his project and that one of best Nintendo games of this gen.

One failed console doesn't mean they lost touch with games, Nintendo has tons of great games this gen.

Personally I think they're losing their touch and can no longer support a home console on its own.  



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Miyamotoo on 02 June 2016
Kerotan said:
Miyamotoo said:

Pikmin 3 is his project and that one of best Nintendo games of this gen.

One failed console doesn't mean they lost touch with games, Nintendo has tons of great games this gen.

Personally I think they're losing their touch and can no longer support a home console on its own.  

Why, because Wii U sales terrible!? One failed console doesn't mean they lost touch with games, how can they lose touch when they still making great games!?

They can't support two different platforms anymore, thats where real problems lies, but luckily they talked about plans for one unified platform instead two difrent platforms like before.



Fei-Hung on 02 June 2016
Jumpin said:
Fei-Hung said:

Honestly speaking, for Nintendo I'm not sure. If you ignore the Wii and look at N64, GameCube and WiiU sales, it seems it is a core fanbase keeping Nintendo going. That isn't necessarily a bad thing as if they deliver what the fans want they can still be successful. 

 

I think Nintendo needs to go back to its roots and cater to them instead of 3rd parties like EA etc. They need the 3D Marios, Zelda's, Lylat Wars, Pokemon Stadium, Harvest Moon, Banjo Kazooi, Goldeneye etc.

 

They've done it before, there is no reason why they can't do it again. However, that's what I want from Nintendo. What someone else wants might be entirely different. 

The big failings with N64, Gamecube, and Wii U are largely that those consoles do not have the same sort of Nintendo feeling that NES, Wii, and SNES have.  All three also have very awkward and unintuitive controllers. Whereas the NES, Wii, and SNES all had very straight forward and intuitive controllers.

Even though the N64 had more sales than the Gamecube, I think that console was easily the biggest mistake Nintendo ever made: expensive cartridges, alienating nearly all of their business partners, and the dryest dought in Nintendo's history. The only thing that really offset the N64's terrible mistakes was that it had an unusually large number of Killer Apps: Mario 64, GE007, and Ocarina of Time.

The Gamecube had a very bad image, the kid sized DVDs, the handle so kids could carry it around like a lunchbox, and the noisy springy Fisher-Price controller. While games were a lot cheaper on Gamecube, it completely lacked a killer app, the first of the two times a Nintendo console did this.

Then there's the Wii U. No killer app, an unappealing controller, and functionality that does not live up to its promise. It was a sad story on both hardware and software fronts.

 

As for the main topic. I have no idea if Miyamoto is losing his touch. He is the soul of Nintendo, the person who shaped Nintendo into what we know it as. I'm going to wait and see how Zelda NX and Super Mario NX do before making that judgment. But from what I understand, he retired from taking a big part in the dev process years ago. So maybe it's the lack of a strong Miyamoto presence that's the issue these days. http://www.wired.com/2011/12/miyamoto-interview/

Couldn't agree with you more. N64 started their downfall, but the quality games kept them going. 



Kerotan on 02 June 2016
Miyamotoo said:
Kerotan said:

Personally I think they're losing their touch and can no longer support a home console on its own.  

Why, because Wii U sales terrible!? One failed console doesn't mean they lost touch with games, how can they lose touch when they still making great games!?

They can't support two different platforms anymore, thats where real problems lies, but luckily they talked about plans for one unified platform instead two difrent platforms like before.

If they still had their midas touch they'd be able to support two platforms separately.  But they've lost it and are now accepting that they can't.  

 

Last gen :

260m Nintendo consoles 

This gen: 

80m (generous estimate)

Next gen (unified) 

I think it will decrease again.  

 

As I said they're losing their touch. I expect a strong 2017/2018 but their same old same old failings to return after that. 



Miyamotoo on 02 June 2016
Kerotan said:
Miyamotoo said:

Why, because Wii U sales terrible!? One failed console doesn't mean they lost touch with games, how can they lose touch when they still making great games!?

They can't support two different platforms anymore, thats where real problems lies, but luckily they talked about plans for one unified platform instead two difrent platforms like before.

If they still had their midas touch they'd be able to support two platforms separately.  But they've lost it and are now accepting that they can't.  

 

Last gen :

260m Nintendo consoles 

This gen: 

80m (generous estimate)

Next gen (unified) 

I think it will decrease again.  

 

As I said they're losing their touch. I expect a strong 2017/2018 but their same old same old failings to return after that. 

Last Nintendo gen was best selling console generation ever, so it not exactly fair to compare this gen with it. This gen they had their first HD console with they had lotsa problems and handheld that was very affected by mobile devices.

This gen proved them they cant suport any longer two completly difrent platforms, but its not about they lost touch, its about market that changed, games are today more complex and require more time and resources than ever before, they need far more time for Wii U games than they needed for Wii games not to mention fact that Wii is basically GC with motion controls. Sony also can't support two different platform and that's why they completely abandoned Vita and they totally focused to PS4, are you saying Sony also lost touch!?

Regardless that, here is point about games, and Nintendo definitely did not lost their touch, they made so many great games this gen.



tak13 on 02 June 2016
Kerotan said:
Miyamotoo said:

Why, because Wii U sales terrible!? One failed console doesn't mean they lost touch with games, how can they lose touch when they still making great games!?

They can't support two different platforms anymore, thats where real problems lies, but luckily they talked about plans for one unified platform instead two difrent platforms like before.

If they still had their midas touch they'd be able to support two platforms separately.  But they've lost it and are now accepting that they can't.  

 

Last gen :

260m Nintendo consoles 

This gen: 

80m (generous estimate)

Next gen (unified) 

I think it will decrease again.  

 

As I said they're losing their touch. I expect a strong 2017/2018 but their same old same old failings to return after that. 

You call the 80m generous estimate? What would be the ungenerous one? The really generous one would be 85m-86m+...

260m Nintendo's consoles last gen... Who cares? That wasn't normal...7th gen is irregular in gereral! 100m+ is their standard!