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Forums - Politics Discussion - Economic migrants from Africa flooding Europe! This needs to stop!

 

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Yes, these people aren't... 111 54.68%
 
No, they're refugees, an... 49 24.14%
 
We shouldn't encourage t... 43 21.18%
 
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Nautilus said:

I just explained why....

he just wants the best for Europe.You are not solving the world problems by letting them in.These countries(the ones the imigrants come from) will continue to "produce" people in bad conditions because their economy/politics keeps draging the country down(corruption, lack of better administration, etc).The actual right thing to do is go and fix those countries problems, which is something thats not easily done.If you just keep acepting people in, these refugees wont stop comming, because who wouldnt turn down a chance to have a better life?That in consequence will bring problems to Europes own countries problems, such as finding jobs for those people, making them learn the language, spending money keeping them healthy, and long term problems too, such as providing a good retirement pay for them and many more.

I mean, 80% of Chinas population is poor and Im pretty sure a good percentage of that numbers lives in bad condition.Do you really think Europe can simply say,"hey come on over!" and solve all the worlds problems?

Uh... China's population below poverty is 5%. lol

And 5% of 1.3 billion is more than many countries population.I agree that I have given a wrong number, but that dosent change the fact that China has alot of poor people.



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"We shouldn't encourage them from coming in the first place!" is a grammatically nonsensical sentence.

OT: The biggest problem with all immigration questions is that no matter what solution we choose, from the ones already on the table, the global economical structure will not change. If poor regions of the world had a chance to develop their own infrastructure, political stability and economical base, we could change the outlook by not relying on (essentially) three power centers in the world; Northern-and Western Europe, North-America and Northern-and Eastern Asia. Instead, we colonized and then removed the troops but installed governing bodies, created influx economies made to feed our own and keep their down and constantly insist or "intervening" and proposing western solutions to non-west problems, we create and sign international mandates and decrees that others should adopt and follow our own systems and we build a relation where one party becomes perpetually dependent both physically and mentally through hand-out's and charity. We do the same with the poor in our own countries, only on a smaller scale.

Bottom line; the developing world needs to be allowed to actually develop, without our constant and belittling meddling, we are causing even more strife and disagreement and doing society a huge disservice, from parlament to farmer and industry.



hershel_layton said:
barneystinson69 said:

Look at India. Granted that has been nearly 70 years, and they still have a long way to go. But give it a decade or two, it'll be where China is right now. But do you believe most African states will be in that position in 10-15 years anyway? It has a long way to go, and Europe cannot be blamed forever for their misfortune.

Don't you understand? AFRICA IS A CONTINENT. IT HAS CLOSE TO NO RESOURCES. IT'S SAND. DESERT. CORRUPTION.

 

Where the hell shall we start then Mr.genius? It's already hard enough to tell the barbarians in India that you can't rape little girls. Have fun trying to move the stubborn boulder known as Africa.

 

" AFRICA IS A CONTINENT. IT HAS CLOSE TO NO RESOURCES"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVpHa8ZOEiA

 

i haven't read something that ignorant in a long long time lol



barneystinson69 said:
SpokenTruth said:

Do you honestly think 50 years is enough time to econimically rise from the exploitations of colonialism given the circumstances of the continent?

 

Walk a mile in their shoes is an idiom that I feel you should highly consider.

Look at India. Granted that has been nearly 70 years, and they still have a long way to go. But give it a decade or two, it'll be where China is right now. But do you believe most African states will be in that position in 10-15 years anyway? It has a long way to go, and Europe cannot be blamed forever for their misfortune.

Like my country Brazil. India and China have a lot of Land Territory and the territory is fertile, In those countries you throw a seed onto the ground and it grow alone, in Africa is very harsh to make resources, and the European countries took a lot of Diamonds from Africa, The Diamond that the Queen of England uses (i think that is the biggest one in the world) came from Africa.



DaaaBeast said:
Swordmasterman said:

You are listing 2  Countries with the most population and with a Lot of Land Territories. Stop bitching around. Every day my country host countless people from other countries and some from a country  which have less than 1/350 of the Territory of my country you seems like the Housemakers of the South region of my country, Complaning about something that will not change your life  but insteady of taking your thoughts for yourself you spread the hate over those people, Tell for me who is giving "Free Money" for someone ? A lot i Mean really a Lot of those people are Doctors, Teachers (Majority of the People who came from the Haiti are former Doctors in something, or atleast have a University Degree), No one is giving Free Money for anyone they are just giving opportunities for people to work and live their lifes like any Human should live, The Countries who took them will receive back their money with their services for the Society .

 

People from another countries cannot Judge people from other countries but when we have a Nation in Misery near a Nation with Fortune in Abundance it is really Greed and Selfish to let people die in front of you when you could have saved their lifes.

A Country cannot interfere with other Country's affairs otherwise this would lead  to a War, but, they must help other Countries if they can and if the  other Country needs help.

Wtf are you talking about? Majority of those people are doctors?? Are you mad? Majority of them are young illiterate males and 90% of those will nevet have job other then drug dealing. Free money is exactly what they are here for. State gives them a place to live and a pay check for food, that is all they want. I know families who are living from social support money for two generations allready and they have no intention to work. All they do is making children...

What is the problem with this thread ? "A Lot" is open to  a lot of meanings and does not means Majority, but people who came from Haiti to my country majority are Doctors or atleast have University Degree.

I Was not refering to the Africa when i said majority, but of course there are doctors amoung those people.



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what always seems to be overlooked in these discussions is that the reason these people are running north to begin with is because their homes are being destroyed by the western governments...

so its kind of dumb to say they have to fix the problems in their country when your own country keeps jumping in and dropping bombs on them

the thing is that at this point the problem has progressed too far and as a result because of the apathy of the citizens of the western countries like those of Europe the problems your governments are causing for other people are now coming back to bite you ironically

what i don't get is how people could not see this coming... you really thought that this could just continue indefinitely without some kind of reaction or some type of action on their part to preserve their lives?



o_O.Q said:
what always seems to be overlooked in these discussions is that the reason these people are running north to begin with is because their homes are being destroyed by the western governments...

so its kind of dumb to say they have to fix the problems in their country when your own country keeps jumping in and dropping bombs on them

the thing is that at this point the problem has progressed too far and as a result because of the apathy of the citizens of the western countries like those of Europe the problems your governments are causing for other people are now coming back to bite you ironically

what i don't get is how people could not see this coming... you really thought that this could just continue indefinitely without some kind of reaction or some type of action on their part to preserve their lives?

Oh they have seen it coming allright, lol. The ones that are droping bombs are United States of America and they do not suffer frome this migrant crysis one bit. They only keep talking big about human rights but we are yet to see them taking in some of those refugees :)



hershel_layton said:

How about Africans get their shit together? are they incapable to live without aid?

It's impossible because trash bags are the leaders for africa. Same for the middle east.

Love how you pick on two of the most corrupt, poor and disfunctional countries in the continent (Congo and Zimbabwe) then make that ridiculous blanket statement. As if judging the whole ofEurope based on Greece and Spain would make any sense.



I predict that the Wii U will sell a total of 18 million units in its lifetime. 

The NX will be a 900p machine

barneystinson69 said:
SuaveSocialist said:
Article 14 of the UN's Universal Declaration of Human Rights exists so these people can be helped out. Articles 13 and 15 reinforce this. How many basic human rights would you deny for the sake of convenience?

Doesn't it also state that refugees can't choose which nations they want to reside in? I see many flooding into France and the UK, so you can explain that as well. And immigrating these people to Europe isn't going to solve the problem that is going on right now. They'll just keep coming in because they'll never bother to improve their nations! It can be done, look at how far China has progressed in the past few decades. India is also starting to become more advanced, and the people get richer everyday. If Africa tried as hard as these nations did, then I'm sure they'll be just as well off.

India has more poor people than the whole of Sub Saharan Africa combined. Ive heard more than one horror story about the worse of parts of the country from several friends. Not to crap on India but to show how skewed and biased your perceptions are. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/jul/14/poverty-india-africa-oxford



I predict that the Wii U will sell a total of 18 million units in its lifetime. 

The NX will be a 900p machine

o_O.Q said:
hershel_layton said:

Don't you understand? AFRICA IS A CONTINENT. IT HAS CLOSE TO NO RESOURCES. IT'S SAND. DESERT. CORRUPTION.

 

Where the hell shall we start then Mr.genius? It's already hard enough to tell the barbarians in India that you can't rape little girls. Have fun trying to move the stubborn boulder known as Africa.

 

" AFRICA IS A CONTINENT. IT HAS CLOSE TO NO RESOURCES"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVpHa8ZOEiA

 

i haven't read something that ignorant in a long long time lol

As I said, it has resources, but nothing for Africans themselves to use.

 

Many of their resources are owned by non-africans. Uranium, coco, nickel, platinum, and so on. Most companies obtained them before most Africans could. 



 

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