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Luke888 on 21 May 2016
Ka-pi96 said:
Jpcc86 said:
Grass types are better off being monotypes. The only dual type grass pokemon used in competitive gaming are gimmick pokemon that can tank or attack specific common enemies like Ferrothorn, Breloom or Amoonguss. And Megavenusaur because of his decents stats and only 2 weaknesses...And that's it, add Serperior and that's all the grass types used in the most common of tiers.

As of now Rowlet is going to be garbage simply because of his too many weaknesses to very common types of attacks. I really hope he loses his flying side of things. If you truly love him, don't let him fly. It's for his own good. *sad music*

What if he got Thick Fat as a hidden ability? No more fire weakness and only a 2x ice weakness.

you can't really go far with a Starter's stats and Thick Fat in the current meta, he would need a change of type+ some broken ability like gale wings



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burninmylight on 21 May 2016
Ka-pi96 said:
burninmylight said:

That theory is garbage and has been debunked since Gen 2. Cyndaquil is not a freaking rat.

I dunno. Cyndaquil is the 'fire mouse Pokemon'. And a rat is really just a big mouse. Considering Cynda is far bigger than your average mouse it's not really strange to think of it as a rat.

Lol, this is the same Pokedex that calls Blastoise a shellfish, calls Hypno a child abductor and says that a little boy had a Kafka-like metamorphosis and turned into Kadabra. Those English Pokedex entries aren't canon at all, and the translators really pulled ideas out of their ass in earlier games where there was less emphasis placed on consistency across regions.

A rat is no more of a big mouse moreso than a chihuahua is a big rat with less hair. A wolf is not a big dog. It is a wolf. A scorpion is not a spider. There is a reason we have different kingdoms, classes, families and species of animals and so on.

If Sugimori wanted Cyndaquil to be a rat, he wouldn't have drawn an something with traits of echidnas/shrews/honey badgers/porcupines and made  山荒 yama-arashi part of it's Japanese name, with yama-arashi meaning porcupine. Nowhere in that cocktail does Cyndaquil resemble a rat. Same with it's evolved forms.

Are you one of the people that still hold on to the idea that all the grass starters are based on prehistoric animals, even though Treecko, Snivy and Chespin (and now Rowlet) exist?



burninmylight on 21 May 2016
Ka-pi96 said:
burninmylight said:

Lol, this is the same Pokedex that calls Blastoise a shellfish, calls Hypno a child abductor and says that a little boy had a Kafka-like metamorphosis and turned into Kadabra. Those English Pokedex entries aren't canon at all, and the translators really pulled ideas out of their ass in earlier games where there was less emphasis placed on consistency across regions.

A rat is no more of a big mouse moreso than a chihuahua is a big rat with less hair. A wolf is not a big dog. It is a wolf. A scorpion is not a spider. There is a reason we have different kingdoms, classes, families and species of animals and so on.

If Sugimori wanted Cyndaquil to be a rat, he wouldn't have drawn an something with traits of echidnas/shrews/honey badgers/porcupines and made  山荒 yama-arashi part of it's Japanese name, with yama-arashi meaning porcupine. Nowhere in that cocktail does Cyndaquil resemble a rat. Same with it's evolved forms.

Are you one of the people that still hold on to the idea that all the grass starters are based on prehistoric animals, even though Treecko, Snivy and Chespin (and now Rowlet) exist?

To be honest I'd never heard of either of those theories until this thread

And eh, Cyndaquil at the very least is still a rodent. That's kind of rattish. Oh and having a metamorphosis in to a Kadabra sounds pretty cool to me. Well... I'd rather not have spoons superglued to my hands, but other than that.

Humans and rats have similar biological makeup and DNA, so the Loch Ness monster is part of the Chinese zodiac as well then. ;)



Nem on 21 May 2016

It sounds plausable.



Lonely_Dolphin on 21 May 2016
Luke888 said:

Talking about Silli inferior changes in appearance you know who else got one while he seemed to be really cute at it's first stage ? This guy.

 

 

Almost all starter's final evolutions look worse though, my opinion anyway. Thematically they're still the same. 

Meh we've gone on about this plenty, and like I said it can't be 100% confirmed eitherway. I'll be letting time do the talking from here. I just don't believe Gamefreak would be dumb enough to do that, but they've done plenty of dumb things before so we'll see.

 

burninmylight said:

Serperior's monotyping actually makes it a decent tank, because it's not taking on a ton more weaknesses like other grass types. Look at this list:

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Grass_%28type%29

Almost all of the dual-Grass types that aren't half Poison have at least one 2x weakness. Meanwhile, what's the dual typing doing for them on offense? Diddly squat.

Parasect is Bug-Grass: two double weaknesses, six in total, and Bug-Grass gives horrible coverage (can't do a thing to Flying, Poison or Steel)

Chesnaught and Breloom: double weak to Flying, both STABs can't do a thing to Flying, Poison or Bug. More horrible coverage.

Venusaur and other Grass/Poison: They tend to depend highly on status moves, but Can't do crap to Steel and Poison if they're not carrying Sleep Powder/Stun Spore, can't use status on other Grass types except Toxic, and get completley walled by other Grass/Poison.

Even the best dual-type out there not named Mega Venusaur, Ferrothorn, has a double weakness to Fire. Most people who play competitively don't bother to give it both STABs either.

 

Completely besides the point, we're talking movepools here. Dual typing simply ensures you have moves from atleast two different types. As much as I love Serperior, it simply has one of the worst movepools I've ever seen. All it's best moves being Grass just makes things worse since it's a poor type offensively with it being resisted by all the things. It's a struggle trying to bring my Serperior out in online battles where almost every given team has 4 Pokemon that resist her, even plenty dual resistances.

 

Jpcc86 said:
Grass types are better off being monotypes. The only dual type grass pokemon used in competitive gaming are gimmick pokemon that can tank or attack specific common enemies like Ferrothorn, Breloom or Amoonguss. And Megavenusaur because of his decents stats and only 2 weaknesses...And that's it, add Serperior and that's all the grass types used in the most common of tiers.

As of now Rowlet is going to be garbage simply because of his too many weaknesses to very common types of attacks. I really hope he loses his flying side of things. If you truly love him, don't let him fly. It's for his own good. *sad music*

 

I think that has more to do with Grass as a type sucking than Grass dual types.

Rowlet loses his wings and... he still has 5 weaknesses. He's grass so he's not gonna be great eitherway, but I think a 4x weakness is worth being able to actually do stuff offensively.



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Platina on 22 May 2016

Wouldn't be surprised either way though Fire + Ground would be really bad against your rival :p



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burninmylight on 23 May 2016

burninmylight said:

Serperior's monotyping actually makes it a decent tank, because it's not taking on a ton more weaknesses like other grass types. Look at this list:

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Grass_%28type%29

Almost all of the dual-Grass types that aren't half Poison have at least one 2x weakness. Meanwhile, what's the dual typing doing for them on offense? Diddly squat.

Parasect is Bug-Grass: two double weaknesses, six in total, and Bug-Grass gives horrible coverage (can't do a thing to Flying, Poison or Steel)

Chesnaught and Breloom: double weak to Flying, both STABs can't do a thing to Flying, Poison or Bug. More horrible coverage.

Venusaur and other Grass/Poison: They tend to depend highly on status moves, but Can't do crap to Steel and Poison if they're not carrying Sleep Powder/Stun Spore, can't use status on other Grass types except Toxic, and get completley walled by other Grass/Poison.

Even the best dual-type out there not named Mega Venusaur, Ferrothorn, has a double weakness to Fire. Most people who play competitively don't bother to give it both STABs either.

 

Completely besides the point, we're talking movepools here. Dual typing simply ensures you have moves from atleast two different types. As much as I love Serperior, it simply has one of the worst movepools I've ever seen. All it's best moves being Grass just makes things worse since it's a poor type offensively with it being resisted by all the things. It's a struggle trying to bring my Serperior out in online battles where almost every given team has 4 Pokemon that resist her, even plenty dual resistances.

 

Jpcc86 said:
Grass types are better off being monotypes. The only dual type grass pokemon used in competitive gaming are gimmick pokemon that can tank or attack specific common enemies like Ferrothorn, Breloom or Amoonguss. And Megavenusaur because of his decents stats and only 2 weaknesses...And that's it, add Serperior and that's all the grass types used in the most common of tiers.

As of now Rowlet is going to be garbage simply because of his too many weaknesses to very common types of attacks. I really hope he loses his flying side of things. If you truly love him, don't let him fly. It's for his own good. *sad music*

 

I think that has more to do with Grass as a type sucking than Grass dual types.

Rowlet loses his wings and... he still has 5 weaknesses. He's grass so he's not gonna be great eitherway, but I think a 4x weakness is worth being able to actually do stuff offensively.

Funny that you say that, because you didn't say a thing about movepools in your last post. Let's avoid shifing goalposts, please. Either way, a Pokemon's variety in its movepool has little to do with its typing and almost everything to do with what GameFreak thinks fits it thematically. Donphan, Electivire and Eelektross are mono-type, but have insanely good offensive coverage lists. Venusaur is dual-typed, but has coverage almost as crappy as Serperior. In fact, the ONLY Poison type move it learns naturally in Gen 6 is lol-Poison Powder. You have to teach it Sludge Bomb via a TM. Serperior learns two Poison type moves via level up. ;)



Keybladewielder on 23 May 2016

Fire/Ground for Litten's evolutions would be awful...dat 4x weakness to water



Lonely_Dolphin on 23 May 2016
burninmylight said:

Funny that you say that, because you didn't say a thing about movepools in your last post. Let's avoid shifing goalposts, please. Either way, a Pokemon's variety in its movepool has little to do with its typing and almost everything to do with what GameFreak thinks fits it thematically. Donphan, Electivire and Eelektross are mono-type, but have insanely good offensive coverage lists. Venusaur is dual-typed, but has coverage almost as crappy as Serperior. In fact, the ONLY Poison type move it learns naturally in Gen 6 is lol-Poison Powder. You have to teach it Sludge Bomb via a TM. Serperior learns two Poison type moves via level up. ;)

 

It was implied as Serperior is well known for being a huge disappointment since despite it's amazing looks it has a terrible movepool, which of course includes TMs and egg moves.



burninmylight on 23 May 2016
Einsam_Delphin said:
burninmylight said:

Funny that you say that, because you didn't say a thing about movepools in your last post. Let's avoid shifing goalposts, please. Either way, a Pokemon's variety in its movepool has little to do with its typing and almost everything to do with what GameFreak thinks fits it thematically. Donphan, Electivire and Eelektross are mono-type, but have insanely good offensive coverage lists. Venusaur is dual-typed, but has coverage almost as crappy as Serperior. In fact, the ONLY Poison type move it learns naturally in Gen 6 is lol-Poison Powder. You have to teach it Sludge Bomb via a TM. Serperior learns two Poison type moves via level up. ;)

 

It was implied as Serperior is well known for being a huge disappointment since despite it's amazing looks it has a terrible movepool, which of course includes TMs and egg moves.

Yeah, in 2010...

But this is 2016, and now Serperior is very popular not only on Battlespot, but on battle simulators like Showdown as well. It's in Smogon's OU (overused) tier now: http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/pokemon/serperior/

Wondering why it's so popular now? Hint: it only involves a single move in its learnset, not some expansive movepool...