Those are actually all good points.

Perhaps the gimmick, whatever it is is also expensive this time. That free-form LCD controller they patented wouldn't be cheap since practically no one else uses free form displays, it'd have to be a custom order. Maybe there are multiple gimmicks this time too.

Yes it was. They sold a console to people who had never owned a console before, and most of them will never own a console again. It was bought for little kids before they got a 360 and by old people.

People have been on board with digital for 10 years? You mean...like 2006? You mean when more than 50% of people with internet access were using DSL? When more than 50% of people with internet were using an internet service that maxed out at 3 mb/s?

You do realize that people can already buy all of their games digitally right?  It's not that they want to go digital and can't because of physical games...The market just isn't their yet.

Unless Nintendo is planning on using IOS they are going to need to change up that plan...Apples system works because their devices permeate huge parts of peoples lives. You can own a computer, a tablet, a phone, a watch, hell even a car, that all use Apples OS. That all work using the same systems and give you access to the same user experience no matter where you go. A gaming system isn't like that. You have what? A console, and a handheld. That level of consistencey isn't nearly as valuable in such a limited space. Especially since handheld sales have contracted so heavily, and will continue to do so every year.

Look at Micrsoft. They are in a much better place to implement what you think Nintendo is aiming for and they are having a hard time doing so. It's also really not helping Xbox One sales. Why would it help the even more limited Nintendo?

I reckon the PS4 and X1 will get another price cut this year. In the UK, officially the PS4 is £300, but you can get bundles with 2 games and 2-3 months of Now TV for £290. Similar bundles for X1 are about £280. 

For holidays this year I think they will both try £250, especially if they drop new models. 

  Yeah,  Being doomed is a debunked unjust myth ( especially now, that Ninteno is expanding to different markets) , lets not repeat why, everyone can google it! Nintendo with gc profits is  alright, they don't need to sell 80m, anywise selling 80m implies huge commercial success but you can burn 5B with it and be financial flop!  The most important thing that Nintendo is doing, it's ensuring that NX will be sold on profit from the beginning!   As for the bolded,  what about  Wii and ds?  Hasn't  Nintendo with wii  made more money than  sony has with its whole gaming division, till ps3?

I don't deny that they can thrive as third party with such  strong  and widely aknowledged ips line, but going 3rd party would be their last resort because   as a first choice it would be inefficient!

Mario kart 8 has sold in 7.5m and counting on Nintendo's hardware,on a tiny installbase of 12.8m , it might be safe to say that xbone's biggest exclusivity,  Halo 5 won't surpass it ( maybe another halo could ), which is on an istallbase of likely 20m, which will grow even further...! Mario kart 8  has also outsold ( or is near to outsell ) every uncharted game which were  on ps3's vast installbase, and it might lead the 4th game too, which is on the almighty ps4!

How can you be  certain , that Mario kart would sell so more on a ps or xb1 individually ( and combined to match the money making of it as a first party) , when their own exclusivitiies sells as much   or way less or barely more as/than Nintendo's big exclusivities in its own  hardaware?  And what about handheld consoles? I guess you don't mean Nintendo as 3rd party in general, because remember Mario kart 7 on 3ds has sold in the huge 13.26m so far, what exclusive of ps (nowadays) or....Xbox can sell that or rather outnumber it? Not even the popular third parties games don't sell as much seperately as Mario kart 7 or don't sell much more! Mk8 with Mk7 has sold 20.76m combined as of now... If Nintendo's is going to sell the same amount on ps and xbox, what's the point? The venture is risky, that's why Nintendo's has to go third party only  if it's hardware buisness is  completely f@ck@d up.

You fathom the difference on selling your own software on your own hardware, with have to sell it on other's hardware and share with them the profits of the game...

Yeah all the "All In One" XBox didn't do crap for the XBox this gen. They tried "Apple-ize" the console in a lot of ways and it failed miserably so they had to pivot away from it quickly. And MS is a huge OS creator, Nintendo is not creating something better with an employee size 1/10th of MS.

People just want a game console that has good technology in it for a reasonable price that plays a large breadth of software including all the top 3rd party content. And something that they also watch Netflix and Hulu and NFL/NBA/MLB League Pass on.

And that's it. All the crap about the console being the center of the living room and controlling your TV through the console and TV apps ... no one gives a shit about that. When people get into a living room they just want to relax and be entertained, it's the couch effect.

Rest in fucking pieces 3rd party.

Personally, I don't get these comments because xb1 is going to end up, lets say with 40-50m, which  is double the sales of first xbox, yeah a 50% drop by xbox 360 and likely half of ps4 sales but still something more than good, and definately a  commercial success!  Some pretend that going from 24m to 86m was normal for Microsoft, so they had to repeat it or approach it with their next console!

Yeah XB1 will sell ok this gen mostly because MS acted quickly to put out some fires before they burned their whole forest down (bye Kinect, bye living room dreams, bye DRM, etc.).

hm.. this particular rumor seems less likely as it doesn't seem coherent with some facts we know

we know AMD had 3 "major design wins" for semi-custom chip production and it's highly likely all 3 of those are for the main console manufacturers

for Nintendo it would be crazy stupid to not go with a polaris based chip at this point, especially the Polaris 11 chips with below 50W seem right up Nintendos alley (very small dies > very cheap to produce, very power efficient, ~PS4 performance)

they did make a weird combination with AMD and their IBM chip on the same interposer before, but going that route again for NX still doesn't feel very likely

MS had a ton of momentum coming out of gen7 having comfortably taken NA and UK, the most profitable markets, and having made great inroads into several "Sony territories" aswell leading to a global tie with Sony

all they had to do to sell 80+++m in gen8 was to release a more powerful non-gimmick console at the same price as the financially hurting Sony (if necessary subsidize it for a year - I bet it would've barely made a blip in MS's financials) , ideally with backwards compatibility to carry all the people over that effectively already locked themselves into the Xbox ecosystem by purchasing hundreds to thousends of $ worth of digital games

and they somehow managed to fumble that