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d21lewis said:

I'm talking about movies. We had Shaquille O'Neal as Steel, Billy Zane as The Phantom, Jim Carey's The Mask, Joel Schumacher's Bat Films, etc. Now comic movies are treated with love, even if they're crap. Fan4stic would have been a timeless classic compared to some of the poop we got back then.

I don't think they could make a film about The Mask and no have it as it was in film. The film, entertaining as it was, would never work if they made the film like the comics... that would be f'ed up. Big Head was not a nice guy.

farlaff said:
d21lewis said:
Question: is Captain America a virgin?

Seems to be :P

How long did he hang around all those cheer leaders doing promotions for WWII recruitement? Surely....wait, forgot, he's a good Christian boy.



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DonFerrari said:

It seems you ignore the potential for spies and that if you read japanese fiction/stories you would see that is a common trait they had for make root spies that could stay dorment for generations.

So yes, it was justifiable to hold people that could possibly endanger the rest of the population in a camp during the time they could have acted. The newer germans should as well be held? Probably, but there were also those that had no ties with German anymore. As far as I know Japanese at the time were very guetto people.

That is an excellent point my friend, and surely Americans of the time knew this well.  They shared the same trait, you see, as proved in Marvel Comics where American HYDRA agents were able to blend into society perfectly and infiltrate SHIELD for decades until the right moment to strike. 

(Thus we come full circle and everyone can see the sense of debating this issue in a Captain America thread.) 

The discussion I was doing is that the government isn't to be trusted with "infinite power" and you seems to agree... anyway the point was against people that are merry thinking about the great father that is the state and the angelical politicians.



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DonFerrari said:

The discussion I was doing is that the government isn't to be trusted with "infinite power" and you seems to agree... anyway the point was against people that are merry thinking about the great father that is the state and the angelical politicians.

I can agree with that sentiment.  But I do have one question:  how is defending the internment camps an example of NOT trusting the government with more power? 



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Having just seen the film it's entertaining but suffers from similar problems to what BVS did only where as the latter was overly slammed for them the former seemed to be given a free pass. They're not bad films tbh as they're entertaining but they tried to fit too much in one package.

In regards to Civil War the story was easier to follow then its DC counterpart but was just as all over the place when it came to pacing, BVS didn't give you as much to follow story wise and ended up stretching some sections out too long while here it's the opposite where too much is thrown at you in minimal portions.

The best thing out of CW was Black Panther and the Spiderman cameo although I agree as slick as the latter was he had no business being in the film he was thrown in much in the same manner Wonder Woman was in BVS. Ironic that Black Panther and Wonder Woman are the most memorable things out of the movies not solely about them although BP at least has relevance to the story of the film.

My issue with the film is that yeah Captain America's actions are somewhat silly but Loki sure no one can really account for that yet the whole fiasco is off the back of chaos that is the result of Shield and Stark's actions while the team who had no hand in causing it and had to clean the whole mess up are given an ultimatum for stopping what others caused. They also knew Team Cap were at the airport to try and fly to another country and didn't think to simply jump in and fly the airship he commandeered away beforehand or have Vision who essentially is a God destroy it when the fighting broke out? I'll give DC one thing though they may need to work on their structuring of their films but they handle their villains better as Zem must be the most insignificant character in the film and probably the most insignificant villain in any comic book movie, seriously it felt like they just cut to scenes with some random extra each time he was shown.

Either way the film is entertaining but I don't get how it can have the same flaws as BVS but yield the opposite reaction from critics, one was overly criticized the other was overly praised, they're not bad films they still good imo.



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-Villain who is almost nothing like their comic book counterpart?
-Killing people in an African community?
-A black person condemning the actions of a hero who is above the law?
-A hero hearing the name of someone they care about and suddenly losing their nerve?
-Heroes using lethal force against people who were just doing their jobs?
-The reveal of hero/heroes identity by "found footage"
-a battle between good guys that could have been avoided by conversation
-a meeting to establish a hero's limits ends in an explosion
-the death of a parent/parents deciding a pivitol action at the end of the movie
-some guy loses their ability to walk
-virtually no change to the status quo despite some major things happening that SHOULD have long term ramifications
-a villain ending up in prison but still feeling like they've won

But one film will be condemned while another is praised.



d21lewis said:
-Villain who is almost nothing like their comic book counterpart?
-Killing people in an African community?
-A black person condemning the actions of a hero who is above the law?
-A hero hearing the name of someone they care about and suddenly losing their nerve?
-Heroes using lethal force against people who were just doing their jobs?
-The reveal of hero/heroes identity by "found footage"
-a battle between good guys that could have been avoided by conversation
-a meeting to establish a hero's limits ends in an explosion
-the death of a parent/parents deciding a pivitol action at the end of the movie
-some guy loses their ability to walk
-virtually no change to the status quo despite some major things happening that SHOULD have long term ramifications
-a villain ending up in prison but still feeling like they've won

But one film will be condemned while another is praised.

Because one was done well, with good writing, likeable characters you could enjoy watching, and had some heart and soul behind it. 

The other was dour, stupid, poorly made, and done with more style than substance. 

Batman b Superman had some great themes and ideas in it, all poorly handled throughout without any true depth of character, poor writing, and....I just need to stop.  The box office receipts combined with reviews and ticket sale patterns show people HATED Batman v Superman but quite loved Civil War.  Neither were flawless, but it's clear from virtually every metric which one was the better film and why. 



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d21lewis said:
-Villain who is almost nothing like their comic book counterpart?
-Killing people in an African community?
-A black person condemning the actions of a hero who is above the law?
-A hero hearing the name of someone they care about and suddenly losing their nerve?
-Heroes using lethal force against people who were just doing their jobs?
-The reveal of hero/heroes identity by "found footage"
-a battle between good guys that could have been avoided by conversation
-a meeting to establish a hero's limits ends in an explosion
-the death of a parent/parents deciding a pivitol action at the end of the movie
-some guy loses their ability to walk
-virtually no change to the status quo despite some major things happening that SHOULD have long term ramifications
-a villain ending up in prison but still feeling like they've won

But one film will be condemned while another is praised.

Very nice summary.



Runa216 said:
d21lewis said:
-Villain who is almost nothing like their comic book counterpart?
-Killing people in an African community?
-A black person condemning the actions of a hero who is above the law?
-A hero hearing the name of someone they care about and suddenly losing their nerve?
-Heroes using lethal force against people who were just doing their jobs?
-The reveal of hero/heroes identity by "found footage"
-a battle between good guys that could have been avoided by conversation
-a meeting to establish a hero's limits ends in an explosion
-the death of a parent/parents deciding a pivitol action at the end of the movie
-some guy loses their ability to walk
-virtually no change to the status quo despite some major things happening that SHOULD have long term ramifications
-a villain ending up in prison but still feeling like they've won

But one film will be condemned while another is praised.

Because one was done well, with good writing, likeable characters you could enjoy watching, and had some heart and soul behind it. 

The other was dour, stupid, poorly made, and done with more style than substance. 

Batman b Superman had some great themes and ideas in it, all poorly handled throughout without any true depth of character, poor writing, and....I just need to stop.  The box office receipts combined with reviews and ticket sale patterns show people HATED Batman v Superman but quite loved Civil War.  Neither were flawless, but it's clear from virtually every metric which one was the better film and why. 

Hated? Based on the box office receipts? C'mon, Runa! BvS got destroyed at the box office by Civil War but it still made almost a billion dollars!



The Fury said:
d21lewis said:

I'm talking about movies. We had Shaquille O'Neal as Steel, Billy Zane as The Phantom, Jim Carey's The Mask, Joel Schumacher's Bat Films, etc. Now comic movies are treated with love, even if they're crap. Fan4stic would have been a timeless classic compared to some of the poop we got back then.

I don't think they could make a film about The Mask and no have it as it was in film. The film, entertaining as it was, would never work if they made the film like the comics... that would be f'ed up. Big Head was not a nice guy.

farlaff said:

Seems to be :P

How long did he hang around all those cheer leaders doing promotions for WWII recruitement? Surely....wait, forgot, he's a good Christian boy.

Oh my! I didn't even know The Mask was comic based, and I like the movie a lot.