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Nvidia knows that they have a major percentage of the gpu market locked down, so AMD is the one that needs to search high and low for new available avenues for income. As good as it is for AMD to earn money from the consoles they license gpu tech for, they need to gain some very necessary gpu market share back in the desktop and mobile sectors.



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vivster said:
My opinion is that Nvidia will be just fine without consoles. It's AMD who have to prove that they can run a successful business and it's upon them to catch up to the market leader.

If they suddenly catch up in market share that just means I have to buy more Titans.

this. Nvidia controls the computer market, which has surprassed the console market. why would they focus on the smaller market when they've already been winning the bigger market and future? (computers). 

  AMD is more desperate so of course was willing to cut down the cost per item to console manufacturer's to get more revenue. 

its good for the market though, I would prefer both continue to do well. competition forces quality and faster strides



Consoles are small business to nVidia as they get most of their revenue from other sources such as the PC market where they're dominating. I don't think this is a big deal for them as they have plenty of revenue coming in.

AMD really needed the console business as they're struggling but it also made logical sense for the console manufacturers as they have the most expertise in building both CPU and GPU tech together. They have both X86 capability (which nVidia don't), and they make make powerful GPUs (which Intel struggle at). They were also willing to put in the extra R&D to produce custom chips which I doubt nVidia would have done as it would only make up a small part of their business.

On top of this, AMD recently acquired an ARM license although we've yet to see anything truly spectacular come of this yet. AMD have a lot of potential and are making the right moves but they're still struggling compared to nVidia and Intel.



mutantsushi said:

"AMD will get quite a lot of money for its latest APUs who wont go down in price, this money can then go into R&D"

What is basis for claim that AMD's APU for Sony/MS/Ninty won't go down in price?
Fabrication cost is external to AMD, so quite easy to factor price drops into contract... Or by benchmarking to market rates, etc.
I mean, you contrast AMD to NVIDIA who insisted on fixed contract price to MS, yet now claim that AMD is doing the same and it's good?


"they gave Sony a mediocore GTX7800 for the PS3 instead its latest GTX8800"

I think that can be translated to Sony bought a mediocre GTX7800 equivalent instead of latest GTX8800.  
Where is AMD selling their latest high end GPU to ANY console manufacturer?  PS4.5 is not impressive in PC space.   So why hit NVIDIA for the same?
Console manufactuers don't want to buy the latest high end power, and they get exactly what they purchase.

"I think Nvidia will have a troubled future espacially if consoles can replace more and more the PC space with hardware revisions. "

If your fantasy of GPU OEM's magically giving away high end APUs to consoles happened, that scenario might make sense.
As is, hardware revisions ala PS4.5 just mean console can match low-mid-end PC GPUs at the point they refresh evey few years,
with higher end PC CPUs/GPUs always dominating and low-mid-end GPUs overtaking consoles before they refresh...
And PC CPUs tending to consistently dominate console CPUs even at console introduction time, CPU limitations in games are real.

BTW, you seem to have left out NVIDIA's lucrative GPGPU/HPC business, what's up with that?

IF you scale back scope of your claims, then OK, the console business has helped AMD stay in the game.
Going forward, it's possible they can compete more with NVIDIA 1:1, not possible if they went under/focused solely on low-end/etc.
AMD's ACE approach certainly seems to be worthwhile (most leveraged by Sony), albeit NVIDIA's GMU may well catch up in future. 
You seem to push your claims into grandiose irrational territory well beyond that though.

- they wont go down in price because instead the APUs going down in price hey bring never more powerfull APU out like with PS4 Neo. Got it?

- Sony charged 600$ at launch for their console and 900$ in manufactering cost. Sony had enough money and ambition to make PS3 the most powerfull console at the time. the GTX 7800 was top notch until Nvidia revealed the GTX 8800. The XBox 360s GPU on the other hand was a Radeon 1800x-something, but had technology from a 2400x-something by AMD. RSX was a normal GTX 7800.

- PS4 Neo is impresive, the GPU the leaked data showed will be twice as powerfull. Look at Uncharted 4, Driveclub and Bloodborne and other PS4 exclsuives. They look better than every PC game, and playing them in 60fps how would it be not impressive? Sony buys the latest APU from AMD.



mountaindewslave said:
vivster said:
My opinion is that Nvidia will be just fine without consoles. It's AMD who have to prove that they can run a successful business and it's upon them to catch up to the market leader.

If they suddenly catch up in market share that just means I have to buy more Titans.

this. Nvidia controls the computer market, which has surprassed the console market. why would they focus on the smaller market when they've already been winning the bigger market and future? (computers). 

  AMD is more desperate so of course was willing to cut down the cost per item to console manufacturer's to get more revenue. 

its good for the market though, I would prefer both continue to do well. competition forces quality and faster strides

in no given point in time the entire Hardware computer market was below the console market. It hasnt surpassed anything.

When it comes to game software consoles are number 1



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Speaking of AMD, their stock was up 50% on friday xD

Wish I'd have bought lol



It worked out. The more competition in this area, the better. I'm glad AMD was able to put their tech into consoles.



I bet the Wii U would sell more than 15M LTD by the end of 2015. He bet it would sell less. I lost.

This is like saying Mercedes is in trouble because Toyota sells a ton of Corollas.

Nvidia dominates the high-end market, which, unsurprisingly, is where the money is at.



No. AMD is the one that's about to go red numbers, nvidia has about 75% PC marketshare and it's healthier than ever thanks to GTX9xx series being so good and successful. And Pascal's coming this year which i think it's going to be another succes because millions (including me) will get one. 

Also there's everyday more people joining the PC master race due to PC's advantages over consoles which means more customers for Nvidia.



Yes. AMD were all but dead from what I understood. Now, they have multiple massive money making contracts.