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barneystinson69 said:
Acevil said:

You really do not know what you are talking about if you think Middle East is fine in any way.

So saudi arabia, iran, and turkey are dangerous? 2/3 of those countries aren't taking in refugee's.

If you only had understanding of Saudi Arabia's treatment of (poor) outsiders you would know that sending Syrians to Saudi Arabia is like sending South Koreans to North Korea. 

Sunnis which this Syrians Rufugees are would not do well in Shia dominated Iran.

Turkey is already dealing with majority of these rufegees, and terrorism and you really think one country can handle it all is beyond even me. Soundwave summed it up the best, I really do not have more to add to his last couple of comments, I am out of here. 

If you learn anything from this thread, is that your view is narrow. 

Added: Because I don't feel like making another post in this thread, you really do not understand anything about reality and from your views, you are very egocentric. If you think European is handling this all you would also be sadly mistaken as well, as Turkey is handling majority of it. 

Also added, it is stated only 10% of rufugees have even tried to make it into Europe. (That number can be oudated, but the number is not be above 20%)



 

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Acevil said:
barneystinson69 said:

So saudi arabia, iran, and turkey are dangerous? 2/3 of those countries aren't taking in refugee's.

If you only had understanding of Saudi Arabia's treatment of (poor) outsiders you would know that sending Syrians to Saudi Arabia is like sending South Koreans to North Korea. 

Sunnis which this Syrians Rufugees are would not do well in Shia dominated Iran.

Turkey is already dealing with majority of these rufegees, and terrorism and you really think one country can handle it all is beyond even me. 

So Europe should deal with it because the middle east doesn't? Wow, that's wonderful...



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barneystinson69 said:

Now I've always come about and said that we should care about ourselves first, our people, our nations. I've always been strongly against immigration, and I believe multi-culturalism is a failed "experiment". But whenever I ever try to speak with this thinking, I am called a bigot; islamaphobe; racist; something that's clearly mean't to attack me. 

To be fair, you are reciting a lengthy checklist of talking points that racists, bigots and Islamophobes are famous for reciting themselves.  You might have a case if you were articulate with your opinions, but the OP reads like an angry manifesto of the prejudiced.  

If you communicate these things to others as you are here, it is unsurprising that people would brand you as a bigoted, racist Islamophobe.  Frankly, they have a stronger case for the claim because of--not in spite of--this thread of yours.



barneystinson69 said:
Soundwave said:

But basically your Persian father benefitted from being (what sounds like) a refugee/immigrant just one generation ago. 

Like, I'm sorry but it makes this entire thread and your constant berating of immigrants pretty funny actually. 

My point is on white guilt. And my problem with refugee's today is that many are there for economical reasons. Turkey is reasonably safe, and most of the middle east is fine as well. Many of these refugee's also weren't even syrian (only 40% where). And most of syria is reasonably safe enough to stay. My father would've been killed if he stayed in iran, and he actually applied for asylum. 

No offence dude but seriously wtf? Have you seen most of Syria? It's been bombed to high heaven, most of the Middle East is far from fine.



Acevil said:
Nirvana_Nut85 said:

Quite simple. We have a much better vetting process when allowing refugees and immigrants than European countries. 

As for white men being the higher majority, I would highly doubt that. Especially when comparing to backgrounds like Arabs and East Indians where woman are treated like garbage.

In Canada and USA, the majority would be White, because that is the majority.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/tables/43tabledatadecoverviewpdf

Asian and Pacific Islanders are on the smaller scale. 

Soundwave's statement is correct. Wish it would have broke down by immigratation as well, I imagine majority of that statistic are American born, and I do mean per 100,000 for that last statement.

 

When going by percentages of population, which is what I believe Soundwave was referring to, the majority are not white men. Black men have the highest per capita ratio per population, according to the statistic you provided. 

 

Rape is also heavily under reported in Arab and East Indian communities as it is reflected badly upon the victim instead of the piece of shit who commited the act.



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Meanwhile, the only terrorist attack in Norway, which FYI is one of the countries with the most immigrants and refugees per capita in Europe, was commited by a white, Norwegian, right-wing extremist who was pissed at immigrants.



barneystinson69 said:
SvennoJ said:
I'm white, mostly. My mother escaped from Indonesia to the Netherlands when she was about four years old. Her older sister died in a Japanese camp where my grandmother was held.
My father's side of the family is from Germany and Belgium, my grandparents already lived in the Netherlands. My grandfather was taken and spend most of the 2nd ww in a German work camp.
Technically I'm a second generation immigrant, well first now again since I moved to Canada in 2002.

So white guilt? What for? I guess I'm a filthy immigrant, moving to Canada while I was in no danger in the Netherlands :)

Are you trying to make me feel sorry for you? My father had to escape iran during the revolution, and when he came here, was treated like shit. It was like that for almost 10 years. My mother was also just a new born when she had to escape hungary in 1956 with her parents.

No, I'm just a bit confused by your ideas and generalizations.
Immigration laws are not determined by white guilt. It's more to do with the necessity of a growing population not to get overburdened by the ageing population. These immigrants and their kids will pay for you're old age pension and facilities.

I haven't seen any problems with immigration here in Canada. In the Netherlands it was all about integration, spread them out over the country, mix up the populations. Here it's a much more casual attitude. When I took the bus to the airport in Toronto (not the shuttle) there were whole stretches where I was the only white person on the bus. It was like, damn I'm already on holiday and I haven't even made it to the airport :)
Where I live it's mostly Europeans that moved out here. I can buy all kinds of dutch food at my local discount supermarket. I had a dutch dentist, dutch lawyer, and I wasn't even looking for them. It's funny how people end up in the same places.

Take a step back, have faith in your fellow immigrants to teach them the Canadian values.



Jumpin said:
If you're a white person living outside of Europe, you're the biggest type of hypocrite if you're anti-immigration since technically, you are a foreigner, you are not native to the land you are native to Europe. But even in Europe, I don't see how multiculturalism is a failed experiment, it is what made Europe the greatest place in the world. Currently the multicultural parts of Europe are the safest, most free, and happiest places in the world.

The monoculture like places are almost universally less free and less happy, and in most places less safe. Mono cultural places also tend to have lower intelligence due to bumpkinization; which often leads to inbreeding, lower health standards, and poor child rearing. There are a few exceptions, such as Japan, but if you take note of the exceptions you can note hat none of them are white countries. Monoculture do white regions show extreme signs of bumpkinization.

You must be kidding me.

I live in a homogenously white and Catholic European country and guess what - it is being considered one of the safest countries in Europe - and it's a very tight list nowadays. There isn't a single multicultural country in Europe that's equally safe. Other safest countries in Europe are... neighbouring homogenously white and Christian countries. Granted, not all of them (Russia...), but there is no denying that this is a fact. More free? Over here we are shocked by how low the level of freedom is in the West of Europe. Freedom of speech is non-existent in the West from our point of view. After the news finally broke out about the rapes in Koeln, our reporters were shocked that German government has such a control over the media, that it can put a tight lid on such shocking news for over a week. They all agreed that this would be absolutely impossible in Poland. No matter what the government did, it wouldn't be able to do that, no way in hell and trust me - it wouldn't. Moreover, a lot of stuff that's a regular part of our political debate and causes no controversy over here is punishable by jail (seriously!) in some Western countries (Nazi Sweden comes to mind here...). So yeah, more free my ass. That's a sad, sad joke and you have no idea what you're talking about. I worked with a French guy (about 28 years old), he was so shocked when he came here by how freely we behave, how safe we are and feel. A tipsy girl walking back home from a party in the middle of the night? That was inconceivable for him. Why? Cause "in Paris Arabs would rape her even in the centre of the city and French people would be scared to help her, cause if they reacted, more Arabs would come out of nowhere and beat them up" - that's what he told us numerous times and it was BEFORE last year's attacks in Paris. He was also shocked when we went to a lake and the whole group went swimming leaving our stuff on the beach. Normal for us, but for some reason shocking to a Frenchman. My colleague married yet another Frenchman and guess what - they decided to live in Poland instead of France. "Cause they feel better here". Go figure.

Moreover, have you heard about the massive emigration of Jews from Western Europe? They are fleeing this sinking ship, cause they no longer feel safe. Do some research, read about it for yourself, the facts are undeniable. Jews are fleeing Western Europe on a mass scale, cause the situation there starts to resemble Germany in the 30s and they are scared of living in the countries they were born in! Can you imagine that? They flee mainly to Israel, UK and Canada, places where they can feel safe. I've recently heard that in London half of kids in Jewish schools were born in France and came to UK only recently. Shocking? To me Jews are the ultimate testament to the condition of a country. Pretty much every single time in history a country started to go downhill, they were the first to feel the wrath. Multiculti countries are on a highway to hell right now and Jews see it. I have no doubt Israeli Intelligence Agency is involved in this as well and they know their stuff. Who knows if Merkel isn't setting Western Europe up for yet another genocide? Who knows what the ultimate solution to the problem of muslims is going to be in a couple of decades... One thing is certain, European multiculti is a huge mistake and will cost the West greatly. I am thankful that my country hasn't followed suit here.

Some food for thought as a response to the ridiculous theory you presented in the second paragraph. European countries were homogenously white and Christian when they conquered the whole world and created the civilization we live in. #dealwithit

Critical thinking - try it.

 

@White guilt - I'm not an expert in this matter, I don't feel it at all. That may be because my country has never been involved in colonization and slavery, so over here when kids are learing about it, we learn that it's something that some other countries did and naturally we feel no connection, responsibility, guilt, etc. Still, I think that the West suffers from some kind of trauma like this and that it's stupid and causes great harm. This was particularly evident with Merkel when she wanted to paint Germans as this modern, humanitarian and tolerant nation that's helping others - in the hope that people stop thinking of them only as Nazis. She overplayed her hand so badly, though.



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barneystinson69 said:
Soundwave said:

But basically your Persian father benefitted from being (what sounds like) a refugee/immigrant just one generation ago. 

Like, I'm sorry but it makes this entire thread and your constant berating of immigrants pretty funny actually. 

My point is on white guilt. And my problem with refugee's today is that many are there for economical reasons. Turkey is reasonably safe, and most of the middle east is fine as well. Many of these refugee's also weren't even syrian (only 40% where). And most of syria is reasonably safe enough to stay. My father would've been killed if he stayed in iran, and he actually applied for asylum. 

Why did he apply in Canada? Surely there was a country between Canada and Iran where he could have immigrated too? Why not another country in the Middle East? Did he have some special talent for ice hockey? What if someone said back then "no, we don't want him, we have enough problems here as is, he should go to some neighboring Middle Eastern country?" and I'm sure there were Canadians who would say that back then. 

There's always going to be a segement of the population that's hostile to immigrants. Even in the US when the immigrants were all Europeans (mostly), people treated the Irish and Italians like second class citizens and looked down on them. 

People in Europe also look down upon Eastern Europeans like Hungarians and Polish and Ukrianians that come over too. 

Sadly this is probably a hardwiring for some people dating back to the days where we lived in tribes. Encountering someone from outside the tribe was usually met with hostility. 

It's going to be a challenge for humanity because quite frankly we don't live in the 18th century anymore where you could block yourself out from the rest of the world. We have easy mass travel, global connectivity because the internet, and the truth is borders in the future are not going to mean what they did in the past, that's just the simple reality. The world of 2097 is not going to be the same as 1997, but 1997 is not the same as 1897. Things change. 



You have probably met some form of Social justice warriors, since all they do is call everyone who dont agree with their nutjob idealogy rascist, bigot,sexist, rapist, islamaphobic you name it.

Islamophobia isnt even a real thing since islam is just a bunch of ideas, very bad ideas. Its not a race or nationality.
Criticize these ideas and voila, you are now an islamophobe.