Good we can agree that the biggest and most powerful Christian voices in the media condone and encourage Christian terrorism and are nothing but propaganda. I believe you when you say you have never defended Christian terrorism but have you ever found " a camera and a mic and condem" Christian terrorism? When you do research from FBI's counterterrorism Southern Poverty Law Center and several others you find out Christian extremists have killed far more people in America in the last 15 years than Muslim extremists. Muslim terrorism is far more publicized then Christian terrorism not far more common.

There are never shortages of people/media condeming anything negatve that could possible be attributed to "christians"  .  Of course to say "christians"  in reference to behaviors is about as big a steroetype as there is - except unlike many other common stereotypes, the ones used to describe "christians" can raely if ever be backed up with facts and data-  just propaganda like often used by groups like the Southern Poverty Law Center that you used as an example

As a proud citezen of the USA, I can admit it  has plenty of problems it needs to address -   But ther are few countries, if any that are more tolerate of people wthn it s borders than mine-    The US also is the most giving country in the world and still offers the most opportunitty in the world (which is one reason  many of the  people from other countries, including those who primarily speak arabic, are moving to and trying to gain citezenship to the US-  

I have nt watched Fox news or the other shows you mentoned but i dobt they dfended anyone bombing anyone else-   do you have a link for this?  

Well I'm going to argue free speech just like the guy above me did. I'm allowed to be here just like you are. You guys are killing the purpose of this website. Why? Do you want this place to disappear? Why do you not want this place to reach its potential?

To be frank, I am too tired of discussing numbers and sales. I am no longer interested in following numbers. I spend most of the time browsing the off-topic forums. Many follow suit. I don't mind you complaning about the abundance of non-gaming threads, I just mind it that you've effectively turned this thread into a complaining fest, and you successfully pulled me and others away from the topic at hand.

Please, go make a new thread and complain all you want. Let me continue the interesting discussion I am having with the gentlemen above without further interruptions.

Well, that sentence could be interpreted in more than one way. One could read it as "I hope the Arabs, who are horrible, die off." One could also read it, as you have, as "I hope those select Arabs that are horrible die off."

In either case, I feel uncomfortable with the framing of that conversation. It seems to suggest that being horrible or humiliating has something to do with Arab-ness. 

No. It's the communities problem. Threads like these don't attract new users. No new users plus typical user drop off means the website will eventually die off. This is a VIDEO GAME WEBSITE! Why don't we keep it that way?!

First of all, I don't think those verses are the only controversial verses found in the Quran, and you will be happy to know that those verses are not the ones that put me off Islam as a whole.

It's been a while since I read the Quran or the Bible, but here is one thing to entertain "Moderate" Muslims by; I can't think of a sin that warrents eternal punishment.

Believers do actually know what eternal punishment means, right?

1. Open a new empty notepad on your PC right now

2. Tap on number "1" once

3. Click and hold number "0" for an hour

Do you see that number in front of you? Well, that number is still much smaller than eternity.

Eternal hell is mentioned multiple times in the Quran. Allah has promised to punish some sinful humans by throwing them in hell for eternity.

I can't think of a single sin that warrents such punishment. You can rape newly-born babies for 60 years and I still wouldn't throw you in hell for 60 years, let alone eternity. 

Kill by the millions, torture the weak, steal, burn animals with fire and I still wouldn't sentence you in hell for eternity. A punishment I can't possibly think of as moderate or just.

This whole "I am gonna make weak ignorant humans and test them, and punish them or reward them based on their actions" game Allah has created can nevere be seen as moderate under any light. Especially when Allah says: "We did indeed offer the trust (freedom of choice)to the heavens and the earth and the mountains, but they refused to bear it,and were afraid of it. But the human being accepted it; surely he is unjust,ignorant.". I don't ever remember accepting such a sick deal as a human in the first place. That's not what I think a moderate religion is. Making humans intentionally ignorant and punish some of them with eternal hell? Not moderate.

And let's pretend that there aren't wildy disturbing phrases about homosexuals, slavery, women and what should do just because they are women. Please don't tell me "you don't understand what these phrases really mean". Like it or not, Gay Arabs can't be openly gay in most Arabic countries and it's because of Islam and the Quran. Like it or not, there are entire fiqh books discuss slavery in Islam, how slaves should treated, the rights and the duties of the slaves under Sharia law.

I don't want dive deeper, I am largerly off-topic.

The point I want to make? Islam needs heavily twisted interpretation to look "moderate", and if those twisted interpretations lead to a better world, I am all for it. It happened (still happening?) to Christianity and the world has been better off since then, that doesn't make Christianity a moderate religion by any means.

Well I'm going to argue free speech just like the guy above me did. I'm allowed to be here just like you are. You guys are killing the purpose of this website. Why? Do you want this place to disappear? Why do you not want this place to reach its potential?

I'm Arab you know. My experience with them makes me wonder what the hell happened with my people from the Golden Age to nowadays. 

The younger generation though, they have an idea on viewpoints for an equal society. It's the past generation stuck up with their immoral ways of living. I know this isn't polite or anything, but I am seriously waiting for the Arabs keeping the Middle East a dump to die off. No one likes the stuckup Arabs. They're hated by everyone. yet somehow, they're still large in number