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Forums - Movies & TV - 'Captain America: Civil War' Review Thread - 90% RT/75 MC score - WW BO = $991.0M/DOM = $314.2M

SuaveSocialist said:
crissindahouse said:

The overall numbers are nice but did you inlcude in the second week those foreign countries which had their first week (Italy, Poland, China and so on..)?

Of course.  That is how the Foreign Box Office for the second week is calculated and reported, after all. 

Sure, that number still doesn't mean much then since like 3/4 of the revenue in that second week is in reality first week revenue. 

To already act as if there are only two markets (domestic and foreign) is already pretty weird considering that you have huge markets like China. To put CHina together with every other country except USA/Canada is pretty mehhh

I would definitely prefer if they would change that and would differentiate more. Sure, they talk about different markets on Boxofficemojo and the likes but still much too less in my opinion. 

China will be soon bigger than USA even for Hollywood movies, it really deserves more attention. Some other markets deserve more attention as well.



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Lawlight said:
Runa216 said:

And there you are, constantly still clinging to every little disappointment you can.  You truly will twist anything and everything to feel justiied in your hatred for this movie, won't you?  

Kinda sad, actually. 

I think what is sad is someone feeling the need to defend the movie and not being able to stand it when facts are being posted.

In any case, the movie had a lower first Monday than Deadpool. It remains to be seen how much leg the movie has.

I'm not defending it, since this movie does not need me to twist facts and alter truths just to get some sort of satisfaction out of its failings.  

The movie is at 737 million dollars, like 22 million short of Winter Soldier despite only being out 5 days in the US and 12 days worldwide.  IT's gonna crack a billion, Audience and critic reception have both been outstanding, and it is likely to be the #1 movie this year (though I'd love to see Rogue One match or best it).  

This movie is a success from virtually every angle and in every situation, and yet you feel the need to report every failure, every disappointment that really should be negligible.  This isn't some heroic feat of bringing the truth to the masses, it's clinging onto failure because you, for some reason, can't handle the fact that a great movie is making great box office dollars.  

737 million and still making 30 million a day. By the time yesterday's numbers come out I bet it'll be ahead of The Winter Soldier, which also did quite well.  I still see this doing 1.3 billion or so worldwide.  

Oh, and if you want to compare its monday and Tuesday numbers to previous comparable films, then yes, its monday was lower than Deadpool and Batman v Superman, but one of those movies both had a holiday to help them out (Deadpool), and the other got lucky.  The real numbers are in Tuesday, where Captain America increased by 3%, but Batman v Superman decreased by 19% . Deadpool decreased by 41%, but again, holiday monday.

Captain America bested its closest direct competition (Age of Ultron) by small but admirable amounts on Monday and Tuesday, a movie that was released the same weekend one year ago. Of course, anything could happen from here, but Captain America is doing great so far, and I don't expect his steam-rolling of the Box Office to slow considerably. 

Also, despite Deadpool having a lower opening weekend by 34 million dollars, its domestic haul is well ahead of batman v Superman. 

Zootopia - the furry movie with no hype going in - had an opening weekend less than half as good as Batman v Superman, yet beat it both domestically and worldwide (is ahead in both markets and still making more per weekend).  Batman v Superman was BAD, and it fell HARD and FAST.  People didn't like it, reviewers didn't like it.  It still made a lot of money, but it should have made Avengers money or near to it. 



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I don't know if it can reach Avengers 1 numbers, but I hope it does better than Iron Man 3. Unless China, again do something crazy and unpredictable.

May be, 1.5bi is the ceiling for Super Hero movies.



Dark_Feanor said:
I don't know if it can reach Avengers 1 numbers, but I hope it does better than Iron Man 3. Unless China, again do something crazy and unpredictable.

May be, 1.5bi is the ceiling for Super Hero movies.

I think it won't get above $1.2 billion. I say $1.1-$1.2 billion but who knows. I just think that X-Men will cut the legs even if it will be a bad movie. It releases already next week in most markets after all and I don't see so many going in the "older" superhero movie after X-Men releases. 



Runa216 said:
Lawlight said:

I think what is sad is someone feeling the need to defend the movie and not being able to stand it when facts are being posted.

In any case, the movie had a lower first Monday than Deadpool. It remains to be seen how much leg the movie has.

I'm not defending it, since this movie does not need me to twist facts and alter truths just to get some sort of satisfaction out of its failings.  

The movie is at 737 million dollars, like 22 million short of Winter Soldier despite only being out 5 days in the US and 12 days worldwide.  IT's gonna crack a billion, Audience and critic reception have both been outstanding, and it is likely to be the #1 movie this year (though I'd love to see Rogue One match or best it).  

This movie is a success from virtually every angle and in every situation, and yet you feel the need to report every failure, every disappointment that really should be negligible.  This isn't some heroic feat of bringing the truth to the masses, it's clinging onto failure because you, for some reason, can't handle the fact that a great movie is making great box office dollars.  

737 million and still making 30 million a day. By the time yesterday's numbers come out I bet it'll be ahead of The Winter Soldier, which also did quite well.  I still see this doing 1.3 billion or so worldwide.  

Oh, and if you want to compare its monday and Tuesday numbers to previous comparable films, then yes, its monday was lower than Deadpool and Batman v Superman, but one of those movies both had a holiday to help them out (Deadpool), and the other got lucky.  The real numbers are in Tuesday, where Captain America increased by 3%, but Batman v Superman decreased by 19% . Deadpool decreased by 41%, but again, holiday monday.

Captain America bested its closest direct competition (Age of Ultron) by small but admirable amounts on Monday and Tuesday, a movie that was released the same weekend one year ago. Of course, anything could happen from here, but Captain America is doing great so far, and I don't expect his steam-rolling of the Box Office to slow considerably. 

Also, despite Deadpool having a lower opening weekend by 34 million dollars, its domestic haul is well ahead of batman v Superman. 

Zootopia - the furry movie with no hype going in - had an opening weekend less than half as good as Batman v Superman, yet beat it both domestically and worldwide (is ahead in both markets and still making more per weekend).  Batman v Superman was BAD, and it fell HARD and FAST.  People didn't like it, reviewers didn't like it.  It still made a lot of money, but it should have made Avengers money or near to it. 

What fact did I twist? The fact that the movie made less in its 2nd week than Jungle Book's 3rd in the UK?



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Lawlight said:
Runa216 said:

I'm not defending it, since this movie does not need me to twist facts and alter truths just to get some sort of satisfaction out of its failings.  

The movie is at 737 million dollars, like 22 million short of Winter Soldier despite only being out 5 days in the US and 12 days worldwide.  IT's gonna crack a billion, Audience and critic reception have both been outstanding, and it is likely to be the #1 movie this year (though I'd love to see Rogue One match or best it).  

This movie is a success from virtually every angle and in every situation, and yet you feel the need to report every failure, every disappointment that really should be negligible.  This isn't some heroic feat of bringing the truth to the masses, it's clinging onto failure because you, for some reason, can't handle the fact that a great movie is making great box office dollars.  

737 million and still making 30 million a day. By the time yesterday's numbers come out I bet it'll be ahead of The Winter Soldier, which also did quite well.  I still see this doing 1.3 billion or so worldwide.  

Oh, and if you want to compare its monday and Tuesday numbers to previous comparable films, then yes, its monday was lower than Deadpool and Batman v Superman, but one of those movies both had a holiday to help them out (Deadpool), and the other got lucky.  The real numbers are in Tuesday, where Captain America increased by 3%, but Batman v Superman decreased by 19% . Deadpool decreased by 41%, but again, holiday monday.

Captain America bested its closest direct competition (Age of Ultron) by small but admirable amounts on Monday and Tuesday, a movie that was released the same weekend one year ago. Of course, anything could happen from here, but Captain America is doing great so far, and I don't expect his steam-rolling of the Box Office to slow considerably. 

Also, despite Deadpool having a lower opening weekend by 34 million dollars, its domestic haul is well ahead of batman v Superman. 

Zootopia - the furry movie with no hype going in - had an opening weekend less than half as good as Batman v Superman, yet beat it both domestically and worldwide (is ahead in both markets and still making more per weekend).  Batman v Superman was BAD, and it fell HARD and FAST.  People didn't like it, reviewers didn't like it.  It still made a lot of money, but it should have made Avengers money or near to it. 

What fact did I twist? The fact that the movie made less in its 2nd week than Jungle Book's 3rd in the UK?

Well, that only tells us that Jungle Book is doing mighty impressive in UK and that UK finally got some nice weather to fuck the cinemas. Already number 1 movie this year there and will probably make twice as much as Zootopia, a movie which is close to 1 billion WW. It will make more in UK as Iron Man 3, Furious 7 and other huge movies did. 

Pretty much every movie (Jungle Book as well) had a huge drop last week (and probably this at least for some days) in UK and other European countries because of the weather conditions. Good weather hurts the cinemas in countries which don't have too much of it. People don't waste the few good days they get for sitting in a cinema, they enjoy to be outside instead. 

Just check how the weather was this year most of the time and then how it was the last ten days or so and how ticket sales went down in the same time in some European countries.

http://www.accuweather.com/en/gb/london/ec4a-2/may-weather/328328#

That is a pretty good example. Last weekend was the first weekend of pretty much the whole year with decent temperatures. No surprise that many chose to do something else instead of watching a movie. The first great weekend after more than half a year of not so great weather lol. 

Stuff like snow storms is also bad for cinemas^^

Not that I want to defend the numbers, I think it will do worse as some probably expected close before release (even if it does very good for a Captain movie) but I strongly believe that the great weather fucked the movies the last ten days in some European countries. Just read in box office forums from these European countries and people there pretty much say the same. 

http://forums.boxofficetheory.com/topic/281-uk-box-office-thread-muted-grosses-due-to-weather-cw-67-%C2%A3274m-398m-total-tjb-63-%C2%A3368m-53m-neigbours-2-%C2%A317m-24m-opening/?page=644

So yeah, overall it's easy to see that you use numbers of single markets which are obviously not so good for different reasons just to have your "I found bad numbers" moments even if that won't really change that Civil War will do pretty decent WW as long as you don't compare it with The Avengers.

You really have to start to look at the factors which affect numbers in different markets before you start to talk about them. Doesn't seem as if you do it. 



So CW passed Deadpool in WW gross. It'll pass BvS by the time the weekend estimates are in. Current projections for domestic weekend is about $80M+.



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crissindahouse said:
Lawlight said:

What fact did I twist? The fact that the movie made less in its 2nd week than Jungle Book's 3rd in the UK?

Well, that only tells us that Jungle Book is doing mighty impressive in UK and that UK finally got some nice weather to fuck the cinemas. Already number 1 movie this year there and will probably make twice as much as Zootopia, a movie which is close to 1 billion WW. It will make more in UK as Iron Man 3, Furious 7 and other huge movies did. 

Pretty much every movie (Jungle Book as well) had a huge drop last week (and probably this at least for some days) in UK and other European countries because of the weather conditions. Good weather hurts the cinemas in countries which don't have too much of it. People don't waste the few good days they get for sitting in a cinema, they enjoy to be outside instead. 

Just check how the weather was this year most of the time and then how it was the last ten days or so and how ticket sales went down in the same time in some European countries.

http://www.accuweather.com/en/gb/london/ec4a-2/may-weather/328328#

That is a pretty good example. Last weekend was the first weekend of pretty much the whole year with decent temperatures. No surprise that many chose to do something else instead of watching a movie. The first great weekend after more than half a year of not so great weather lol. 

Stuff like snow storms is also bad for cinemas^^

Not that I want to defend the numbers, I think it will do worse as some probably expected close before release (even if it does very good for a Captain movie) but I strongly believe that the great weather fucked the movies the last ten days in some European countries. Just read in box office forums from these European countries and people there pretty much say the same. 

http://forums.boxofficetheory.com/topic/281-uk-box-office-thread-muted-grosses-due-to-weather-cw-67-%C2%A3274m-398m-total-tjb-63-%C2%A3368m-53m-neigbours-2-%C2%A317m-24m-opening/?page=644

So yeah, overall it's easy to see that you use numbers of single markets which are obviously not so good for different reasons just to have your "I found bad numbers" moments even if that won't really change that Civil War will do pretty decent WW as long as you don't compare it with The Avengers.

You really have to start to look at the factors which affect numbers in different markets before you start to talk about them. Doesn't seem as if you do it. 

We'll be able to better see how much legs the movi has after this week-end. Weather might be the excuse in the UK. It's not in Australia, for example. So, we'll see whether it can reach the heights of The Avengers.



Dirtybynature said:
So CW passed Deadpool in WW gross. It'll pass BvS by the time the weekend estimates are in. Current projections for domestic weekend is about $80M+.

Boxofficemojo has it at $77M this week-end. The drop in China is expected to be between 60-70%.



Lawlight said:

We'll be able to better see how much legs the movi has after this week-end. Weather might be the excuse in the UK. It's not in Australia, for example. So, we'll see whether it can reach the heights of The Avengers.

It won't reach The Avengers. It wouldn't anyway but with X-Men around the corner it will not even come close. 

But not sure how this is a problem, it's a Captain America movie after all. Maybe if it wouldn't be called Captain America it could have a chance^^