wombat123 said:
Zanten said:
This is why I typically give that ridiculous movement a wide berth. =P The catchphrase is 'Ethics in Gaming Journalism' is so specific because there are virtually no fucks given about... well... ANY other ethical considerations. Ends justify the means, you're with us or against us, etc, etc. Honestly, just reading through the article and the comments feels like I exposed my eyes to an open sewer, but I wanted to at least get the sodding 'Maybe the SJWs did it!' train of thought shut down so we can at least establish which side seems to be doing what this time. -_-
I mean, let's face it, they'll find a way to blame the SJWs ANYWAY, because that's how a lot of the movement works, but not much I can do about that. Both sides are filled with children and lunatics, and unfortunately anything resembling an actual constructive dialogue was lost a very long time ago in the wake of that.
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So you're saying that the games media hold zero responsibility in how all of this blew up? That it's all the gamergate people and SJWs? You're saying that the article that Kotaku did about Rapp in early March did nothing to get outside groups like the Wayne Foundation aware of her and start asking questions? You're saying that the games media and their media blitz that forced Nintendo to explain why they fired Rapp didn't give 3rd party trolls (the same 3rd party trolls that love to go after people like Chris-chan) the necessary tools to find out about Rapp's personal life?
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Not even slightly.
And that's the entire point.
The elements who push for certain unnecessary, even silly elements to be changed due to their own social prudishness? They're dicks. The gaming media who, in order to generate traffic and ads have no problems throwing up people's dirty laundry and just serve to fan the flames of all this nonsence, are dicks, and there are legitimate concerns about an industry who rely upon the very industry they are supposed to be monitoring for advertising dollars, review copies, etc, etc. And GamerGate, who- despite impassioned denials by certain, shall we say, '3rd party individuals'- is rife with elements that use the supposed movement as an excuse to cross any moral or ethical boundaries, and who have yet other elements that bend backwards to make excuses and enable those monstrous people, are dicks.
There is blame aplenty. There are causes aplenty, and problems to go around.
But one of those problems is when certain people go out of their way to sweep the collateral damage under the rug, to claim that any side in this whole sordid mess is somehow taking the high road. Lives destroyed, people hounded online and by phone, identities doxxed and all while '3rd Party Individuals' are cheering from the sidelines, quick to take credit when convenient, quick to disperse when held culpable.
Ethics should not end at games journalism. It should not be 'Hold journalists to a high standard, but we can do whatever we want.' Any movement that wishes to use the term 'Ethics' without being laughed out of the room needs to be even-handed and consistent, not throw the term aside when it grows inconvenient.
I mean, come on man, I linked an article full of people denouncing the 'SJWs' trying to support Allison, while you're here going on about how the 'SJWs' are against her. This is how incredibly messy, how unbelievably twisted things have gotten, where literally everything wrong with anything GamerGate is involved with must be the fault of someone, anyone other than GamerGate, probably SJWs.
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