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Saw a commercial the other day for the DVD/BR release and was asked if I'd be buying it.
I sat and thought for a little while and decidedly said "no."

I'm a Star Wars fan, been one since I was a kid, but this movie to me can probably wait 5 more years when I can buy it in a set w/ the upcoming titles.

It was a good movie, not great, imo. It was way too familiar, but enjoyable. I'll probably watch it again when it comes on TV though.



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Nymeria said:
Lawlight said:

That doesn't make up for the terrible characters. I think they should reboot this mess and make a more grounded, mature Star Wars movie.

I'll be curious about the tone of Rogue One given we know how dark the base of that story is.

It's Disney - they want the kids in theatres. So expect quips and lightheartedness.



Ka-pi96 said:
JWeinCom said:

If you think that the First Order is too known, think of Nazi Germany or the Taliban.  These were organizations that people knew about and that certain people were  very concerned about, yet those in power didn't act.  So it's really not such a stretch to think an organization like the New Order could come to power.  

I sort of agree with you on Rey, but at the same time I don't think it would have worked if she was on Luke's level in New Hope.  That was when we first knew about Jedi, so even basic things would make the character look good.  By now, we've seen so much Jedi stuff that if Rey was just a good pilot, it would come off as kind of weak.  Also, consider their backgrounds.  Luke grew up as a farmer.  It seems Rey had a much harsher upbringing that required her to learn to fight.  As for being a good pilot, that's a trait of most force sensitives.  Luke and Annakin were amazing pilots without any real special training.  If Rey is a skywalker, then it would further explain why she would be so awesome at it.

As for the plot hole, I don't remember the scene exactly.  But, if they had the technology, it seems just as easy to track the ship as to force information out of Poe.  Just a choice.  Besides, they had Poe in captivity, so if the tracker failed they had a plan B.

I don't really think Nazi Germany or the Taliban are great comparisons. They were the first to spring up, there may have been some reasons to be concerned but I'd expect people would be thinking 'well they'll probably calm down and cease to be a threat soon enough'.

The Empire were more like Nazi Germany. So the first order would be more like if some remnants from Nazi Germany fled to another country, seized power there and started constructing weapons of mass destruction. I very much doubt they would have just been left to their own devices for so long in that situation...

And @ the bolded, I don't think being a good pilot is inheritable

It's not an exact parallel.  Those are just examples.  Keep in mind, the empire didn't just disappear when the emperor and vader died, and the rebel alliance wasn't an organization that was ready to police the remnants of a big galactic empire.  So, there was a lot of appeasement.  Plus, it is implied that there is a good deal of corruption involved, and that's not a surprise considering what we've seen of government in Star Wars.  We could argue the plausability of this, but it's far removed from a plot hole.

Luke seemed to inherit piloting skills.  Maybe genetics work differently in a galaxy far far away.



Lawlight said:

It's Disney - they want the kids in theatres. So expect quips and lightheartedness

Along with several deaths if they follow the story.  The director's previous work in Monsters and Godzilla weren't loaded with quips.  I think they can take more risks in a spin off in regards to tone.



Nymeria said:
Lawlight said:

It's Disney - they want the kids in theatres. So expect quips and lightheartedness

Along with several deaths if they follow the story.  The director's previous work in Monsters and Godzilla weren't loaded with quips.  I think they can take more risks in a spin off in regards to tone.

I don't think the director matters as much - the script is vetoed by Disney.



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JWeinCom said:

It's not an exact parallel.  Those are just examples.  Keep in mind, the empire didn't just disappear when the emperor and vader died, and the rebel alliance wasn't an organization that was ready to police the remnants of a big galactic empire.  So, there was a lot of appeasement.  Plus, it is implied that there is a good deal of corruption involved, and that's not a surprise considering what we've seen of government in Star Wars.  We could argue the plausability of this, but it's far removed from a plot hole.

Luke seemed to inherit piloting skills.  Maybe genetics work differently in a galaxy far far away.

Most of the Empire's major force was in the Battle of Endor and were removed. It would have been left over outposts and scout ships left over me thinks. A few Star Destroyers here and there. Individual planets and other resistant forces may have been able to over power them during the time of unrest in ranks due to their entire structure being wipped out.

Also, piloting skills seem to be a force thing, heightened reactions help. Vader was a great pilot, Luke only good.



Hmm, pie.

The Fury said:
JWeinCom said:

It's not an exact parallel.  Those are just examples.  Keep in mind, the empire didn't just disappear when the emperor and vader died, and the rebel alliance wasn't an organization that was ready to police the remnants of a big galactic empire.  So, there was a lot of appeasement.  Plus, it is implied that there is a good deal of corruption involved, and that's not a surprise considering what we've seen of government in Star Wars.  We could argue the plausability of this, but it's far removed from a plot hole.

Luke seemed to inherit piloting skills.  Maybe genetics work differently in a galaxy far far away.

Most of the Empire's major force was in the Battle of Endor and were removed. It would have been left over outposts and scout ships left over me thinks. A few Star Destroyers here and there. Individual planets and other resistant forces may have been able to over power them during the time of unrest in ranks due to their entire structure being wipped out.

Also, piloting skills seem to be a force thing, heightened reactions help. Vader was a great pilot, Luke only good.

"This is Leia Organa, last princess of Alderaan, former member of the Galactic Senate, and a leader in the Alliance to Restore the Republic. I have a message for the galaxy. Emperor Palpatine—the greatest tyrant civilization has ever known, responsible for death and suffering beyond measure—is dead. He and a second Death Star battle station were destroyed by Alliance forces earlier today. This does not mark the end of the Empire. The fight will continue. But you must take this opportunity. Join us in the foundation of a new Republic to be shaped by the will of the governed. Claim your freedom and your future. Help is on the way."

The Empire was very large.  Even with hyperspace travel and all, it's hard to believe that most, or even a large share, of their military was so bunched together.   It lasted about a year after Endor.  The problem wasn't necessarily that they didn't have any soldiers left, the problem was that with the Emperor gone, there was no leadership, and several groups, such as the first order, fought for control over what was left.



Massive disappointment on first viewing, but since then I have seen it 3 times.

On first viewing, in 3D it seemed like the movie starts off from out of nowhere. Yes, the so did the original but I expected more here. I immediately starting thinking how good the original were and knew this would never match it. However, I instantly found the two male leads likable. Same with Rey at first...until she opened her mouth.

The second the spoke with BB-8, I watched the remaining 30 mins or so with my arms crossed. Terrible actress. Then I saw her fly the falcon WITH NO TRAINING whatever. I had to take a break here.

Went to get a drink, came back and Han Solo and Chewie were on screen. I smiled, took my seat, and to be honest, rather enjoyed the rest of the movie... up until the final battle with Ren. That was bad, I get he was wounded, but by far the weakest of the villains seen a Star Wars movie. Overall I was not pleased.

2nd viewing, (no 3D, ie the best way to view a movie) I had similar complaints, plus how not only she mastered flight and saber, but also mind control, something Luke didn't do until ROTJ. However, as this was not in 3D, I got to appreciate some of the choreography and direction a lot more. There were some very good scenes shot here. The highlight being when Han and Chewie show up and the battles that take place on Takodana and Starkiller.

3rd viewing was in 70mm imax. Nice novelty, and while the movie is fun to watch, overall, there is just too much wrong with it and not enough original ideas.

Final thoughts are Poe, Finn and BB8 are great. Rey is just feminist propaganda. I don't like her face. Ren is a pussy. I don't like his face either. Phasma was a pushover. Final fight was terrible. Disappointing ending. I do however like Rey's theme. A nice addition by Williams.

3/5 and that is being VERY generous.



Ka-pi96 said:
JWeinCom said:

The Empire was very large.  Even with hyperspace travel and all, it's hard to believe that most, or even a large share, of their military was so bunched together.   It lasted about a year after Endor.  The problem wasn't necessarily that they didn't have any soldiers left, the problem was that with the Emperor gone, there was no leadership, and several groups, such as the first order, fought for control over what was left.

That could have actually been an interesting idea. Having to form a shaky alliance with one of the other former Imperial groups or something to counter one that was becoming too powerful. I suppose it's still possible for the sequels though. I mean it did seem a little strange that they called themselves the First Order. You'd assume if they were the only former Imperials they would be calling themselves the Empire or the New Empire or something.

It's be a good spinoff, but the main entries kind of have to be good vs evil and junk.



JWeinCom said:

If you think that the First Order is too known, think of Nazi Germany or the Taliban.  These were organizations that people knew about and that certain people were  very concerned about, yet those in power didn't act.  So it's really not such a stretch to think an organization like the New Order could come to power.  

I sort of agree with you on Rey, but at the same time I don't think it would have worked if she was on Luke's level in New Hope.  That was when we first knew about Jedi, so even basic things would make the character look good.  By now, we've seen so much Jedi stuff that if Rey was just a good pilot, it would come off as kind of weak.  Also, consider their backgrounds.  Luke grew up as a farmer.  It seems Rey had a much harsher upbringing that required her to learn to fight.  As for being a good pilot, that's a trait of most force sensitives.  Luke and Annakin were amazing pilots without any real special training.  If Rey is a skywalker, then it would further explain why she would be so awesome at it.

As for the plot hole, I don't remember the scene exactly.  But, if they had the technology, it seems just as easy to track the ship as to force information out of Poe.  Just a choice.  Besides, they had Poe in captivity, so if the tracker failed they had a plan B.

I would just like if the story was either continuied.. or we get more background story.. but like i wrote in OP.. its one of the thing I with second wieving was ok with..

As for the (one of the) plot hole.. Think of it.. The first order is looking at where the The Resistance has base to destoy them.. Kylo has the best pilot from the The Resistance (and he knows this) trapped.. And he use his "mindreading trick to get the information about BB.. why would he not ask about the location.. instead of hoping that some mayby track a ship much later in the story