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Frogger on 31 March 2016
curl-6 said:

Perhaps I should rephrase; I'm not saying Zelda needs a complex story like Bioshock.

It can still be a story about a youth with a sword. It just needs to not be the same copy-pasted "oh brave youth blah blah blah chosen by the gods blah blah blah reclaim the triforce blah blah blah a great evil awakens blah blah blah" we've heard time after time since 1998.

A story can still be simple and straightforward without being mind-numblingly been-there-done-that to the point of being almost literal copypasta.

Hm...

I mean I think there are ways they can tweak it to still make it interesting, especially since they never actually did it well before, but I'd be down for a change to something else.

The thematic staples I don't think need to stay are things like the hat, green tunic, Epona, Ganon(dorf), triforce triad (Link courage, Zelda wisdom, badguy power), Master Sword, Hylian Shield, time travel, two worlds, etc. Those are the things that bother me. If Zelda U was another story where Link is a hero made to collect the triforce pieces, but with none of those, I'd be happy with them rinse repeating that story structure. There are more than enough ways to stop that from being stale when you actually have a degree in creative writing and know how to write a compelling narrative with structure and dicipline.



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TheLastStarFighter on 31 March 2016

There's a bit of the a chicken and egg situation with this topic. The hardware has limited the sales, but the software has failed to push the hardware.

It's a relatively recent thing though. Zelda:TP and SMG were both massive titles, arguably the biggest and best in sales and quality. The Zelda: SS and SM3DW both seemed less ambitious in scope and less exciting in theme. Nintendo needs to push production values and boundaries with their next title and have game titles/themes that resonate with the audience.



Teeqoz on 31 March 2016
spemanig said:
Volterra_90 said:

The question is (and this is an honest question since I really don't know much about it), does Nintendo has the money to do all of that? I agree with you, Nintendo's IPs are strong enough to be worth an AAA treatment, and maybe they'll sell a lot more. But there's a risk. Games like Destiny, GTA; movies like Frozen... have spent an insane amount of money in marketing alone. Marketing imo is what sells the most, but it's expensive as fuck. And I'm not really sure if Nintendo could aford nearly the same treatment. 

Their net worth rivals Activision's ($18m), almost triple's EA's ($6-8b), and absolutely eclipses Ubisoft's ($700m) for comparison.

Yes, they have the money, and then some. And they could make more. Like WAY more.

Apple is worth $700b. Disney is worth $100b. Nintendo can literally be both the Apple of gaming and the Disney of gaming at the same time. Nintendo can be that high, but you have to spend money to make money. I already think they are on their way to being the Apple of gaming with the NX. All they need is good branding and a good design for the hardware that looks simple and feels luxurious. But they are being a really poor representative for being the Disney of gaming because of how cheap they are, and I have absolutely no faith that they plan to change that outside of things like the theme park, their IP appearing in TV and films, the rumored BG&E2 rumor, etc.

Net worth? Do you mean market cap?

 

In which case, these are the real numbers: Activision 25 Bn $, EA 20.6 Bn $, Nintendo 17 Bn $, Ubisoft 3 Bn &

 

Also Disney is worth 162 Bn $, Apple is worth 600 Bn $. Nintendo can not be that high...

Furthermore, market can says nothing about how much a company has available. For Nintendo, that figure is somewhere around 5 billion. I mean, they can still certainly afford upping the budgets of their games and spending more on marketing, but they don't have 20 Billion or whatever.



fedfed on 31 March 2016

Games are Big - Nintendo needs to make something big to equal their games!



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Teeqoz on 31 March 2016
CaptainExplosion said:
Teeqoz said:

Net worth? Do you mean market cap?

 

In which case, these are the real numbers: Activision 25 Bn $, EA 20.6 Bn $, Nintendo 17 Bn $, Ubisoft 3 Bn &

 

Also Disney is worth 162 Bn $, Apple is worth 600 Bn $. Nintendo can not be that high...

Furthermore, market can says nothing about how much a company has available. For Nintendo, that figure is somewhere around 5 billion. I mean, they can still certainly afford upping the budgets of their games and spending more on marketing, but they don't have 20 Billion or whatever.

If they don't have $20 billion then why did you say they can afford more on marketing? Isn't it nightmarishly expensive to make the best gaming commercials these days?

Uhm....

 

It does not cost 20 billion.....



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Cloudman on 31 March 2016

If we look at some of Mario's games, he still seems to be doing pretty well, on low selling hardware as well.

Zelda, I'm not sure if that was ever as big as Mario. However, if they want their main title games to be big, they need to make a Mario Galaxy scale game for Mario, and more visually impressive Zelda game. That would probably do the trick for both of them.



 

              

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Ultrashroomz on 31 March 2016

Just better hardware I guess.

Th e Wii U is really holding them back right now.



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zorg1000 on 31 March 2016
CaptainExplosion said:
Teeqoz said:

Uhm....

 

It does not cost 20 billion.....

But doesn't it cost at least 1 billion?

does what cost 1 billion?



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zorg1000 on 31 March 2016
CaptainExplosion said:
zorg1000 said:

does what cost 1 billion?

Good marketing for games.

what in the world makes you think good marketing costs $1 billion?



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zorg1000 on 31 March 2016
CaptainExplosion said:
zorg1000 said:

what in the world makes you think good marketing costs $1 billion?

How else did the PS4 do so well so far?

thats a ridiculous question that has nothing to our discussion.



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