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freebs2 said:
oniyide said:

sure what they offer is different, BUT to say they are going to be a good secondary, would have to entail their is a PRIMARY and if they are not the primary then wouldnt they be in fact inferior? 

Consoles arent even in the same markey as tablets and phones, im not quite sure why you brought them up to be honest. Im talking strictly home consoles. And for me they could be seen as equal. But as we see the vast majority arent seeing it that way.

It's not a matter of being primary and secondary. It's more a matter of being complementary. Yes, they should be a good complementary (but you can also call it secondary) option for those who prefer other devices as thier primary choice, which doesn't exclude being a primary choice for a different people or a different target. Take any handheld for example, it is a commonly accepted they're mainly targeted at kids - meaning they are a primary choice for many kids, but at the same time they're also a good complementary choice for many home console players.

Also if we talk about games, consoles, smarphones and tablets are in the same market, but they don't compete with each other yet since their not seen as substitutes.

Complementary is a slightly better term, but the wording you used was secondary. And you are right, but lets be real here the Ninty console is most likely gonna be the complentary/secondary one, hell ninty said something along the lines like that when it came to Wii U. They got handhelds on lock though so no issue there, but how many console owners would buy a handhelf as a complentary device? Here's another question, how many people are even buying more than one console these days? judging from the sales i cant imagine many, they could be buying handhelds as a 2nd gaming device ill concede to that.

If they are not seen as substitutes how could they compete? If a person wants to buy a tablet they are going to buy a tablet would be weird if they all of a sudden wanted a PS4 instead.



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oniyide said:
freebs2 said:

It's not a matter of pride. It's a matter of acknowledging the fact that what they offer is different form Microsoft and Sony, so to try to extend their userbase without the presumption to take their place.

If that's seen as sign of being inferior dependes on your personal tastes, for one like me, who likes Nintendo consoles and other platforms as well it would be an equally great thing. After all, you only mentioned PS and Xbox in your comment which leads me to believe if I only mentioned Tablet and Smartphones you wouldn't have seen this as an admission of inferiority - That's because, for your personal tastes, you don't put to question the superiority of consoles over smartphones as gaming devices.

sure what they offer is different, BUT to say they are going to be a good secondary, would have to entail their is a PRIMARY and if they are not the primary then wouldnt they be in fact inferior? 

Consoles arent even in the same markey as tablets and phones, im not quite sure why you brought them up to be honest. Im talking strictly home consoles. And for me they could be seen as equal. But as we see the vast majority arent seeing it that way.

Well the Wii was considered a secondary console even by Nintendo, so there's that...



what exactly will VR do for Nintendo? what will they do to convince people to get their VR fix on Nintendo rather than PS, PC or Mobile?



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ps4tw said:
Teeqoz said:

No, they don't.

They need these two things:

Low price
(Many) Good games

You pretend like the three strategies outlined in the op are the only ones Nintendo can pick, despite how your product management "expertise" should make it obvious that that is simply not the case.

No need to be condescending.

If they have a low price, if people are already happy with the PS4/Xbox lineup, why would they get another console? And stating a console has to have good games is stating the obvious, so how/what are these good games going to be? Are they going to be first or third party? Are they going to rely on any Nintendo franchise? Are they going to be technically advanced, current gen or retro? Your solution just opens up a whole lot of questions.

If Nintendo makes the NX x86, and about as powerful as the PS4, it will likely get a fair bit more third party support than the Wii U, and they could probably launch it at about 249-299, with bigger prospects of pricedrops than the Wii U had. Not sure what you mean by "are they going to be technically advanced, current gen or retro". The games will obviously be current gen since they are released on current gen hardware. And they aren't looking to make those that already own a PS4 or XBO switch. They are looking to make those that haven't bought or decided which console to buy yet to buy an NX.

 

I'd go more indepth as far as the strategy goes, but coming up with this required months of reading and writing posts on video game forums, so I'm afraid if you wanna know more you'll have to pay me 70$ an hour for my expertise. Sorry :-/



oniyide said:
freebs2 said:

It's not a matter of being primary and secondary. It's more a matter of being complementary. Yes, they should be a good complementary (but you can also call it secondary) option for those who prefer other devices as thier primary choice, which doesn't exclude being a primary choice for a different people or a different target. Take any handheld for example, it is a commonly accepted they're mainly targeted at kids - meaning they are a primary choice for many kids, but at the same time they're also a good complementary choice for many home console players.

Also if we talk about games, consoles, smarphones and tablets are in the same market, but they don't compete with each other yet since their not seen as substitutes.

Complementary is a slightly better term, but the wording you used was secondary. And you are right, but lets be real here the Ninty console is most likely gonna be the complentary/secondary one, hell ninty said something along the lines like that when it came to Wii U. They got handhelds on lock though so no issue there, but how many console owners would buy a handhelf as a complentary device? Here's another question, how many people are even buying more than one console these days? judging from the sales i cant imagine many, they could be buying handhelds as a 2nd gaming device ill concede to that.

If they are not seen as substitutes how could they compete? If a person wants to buy a tablet they are going to buy a tablet would be weird if they all of a sudden wanted a PS4 instead.

I'm not sure I'm following you, fist you say 'lets be real here the Ninty console is most likely gonna be the complentary/secondary one' implying a Nintendo consoles could only be complementary, then you say 'They got handhelds on lock though so no issue there, but how many console owners would buy a handheld as a complentary device?', calling into question that handhelds - thier strongest segment - can be complementary, then again you say the opposite 'they could be buying handhelds as a 2nd gaming device ill concede to that'. Honestly, it seems to me you're just downplaying any possibility without really taking a stance.

Then you say ' how many people are even buying more than one console these days? judging from the sales i cant imagine many'. Which sales are you referring to? Ps4 sales, Xbox One sales, WiiU sales or overall sales? Also, while you're shifting the focus to consoles, in my first comment I was referring to gaming devices in general. The total revenue of the gaming industry is growing which leads to belive more people are interested in games and people are willing to spend more money on games. ( http://www.itvoice.in/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Newzoo.png )

As fot the last question, the fact they are not seen as substitutes right now doesn't mean they won't be in the future. In Japan, for thier different culture and prefences smart devices have already eroded a large part of the home console market. Also competition can be indirect, given all customers have limited finances, the more money they'll spend on smartphones the less will be avaliable for other devices. In other words, while it's true no one buys a tablet 'instead' of a Ps4, for many the purchase of a tablet or a new smartphone can make the purchase of a console a second priority.



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Ck1x said:
oniyide said:

sure what they offer is different, BUT to say they are going to be a good secondary, would have to entail their is a PRIMARY and if they are not the primary then wouldnt they be in fact inferior? 

Consoles arent even in the same markey as tablets and phones, im not quite sure why you brought them up to be honest. Im talking strictly home consoles. And for me they could be seen as equal. But as we see the vast majority arent seeing it that way.

Well the Wii was considered a secondary console even by Nintendo, so there's that...

sure they also consider Wii U a secondary console so there's that too.



freebs2 said:
oniyide said:

Complementary is a slightly better term, but the wording you used was secondary. And you are right, but lets be real here the Ninty console is most likely gonna be the complentary/secondary one, hell ninty said something along the lines like that when it came to Wii U. They got handhelds on lock though so no issue there, but how many console owners would buy a handhelf as a complentary device? Here's another question, how many people are even buying more than one console these days? judging from the sales i cant imagine many, they could be buying handhelds as a 2nd gaming device ill concede to that.

If they are not seen as substitutes how could they compete? If a person wants to buy a tablet they are going to buy a tablet would be weird if they all of a sudden wanted a PS4 instead.

I'm not sure I'm following you, fist you say 'lets be real here the Ninty console is most likely gonna be the complentary/secondary one' implying a Nintendo consoles could only be complementary, then you say 'They got handhelds on lock though so no issue there, but how many console owners would buy a handheld as a complentary device?', calling into question that handhelds - thier strongest segment - can be complementary, then again you say the opposite 'they could be buying handhelds as a 2nd gaming device ill concede to that'. Honestly, it seems to me you're just downplaying any possibility without really taking a stance.

Then you say ' how many people are even buying more than one console these days? judging from the sales i cant imagine many'. Which sales are you referring to? Ps4 sales, Xbox One sales, WiiU sales or overall sales? Also, while you're shifting the focus to consoles, in my first comment I was referring to gaming devices in general. The total revenue of the gaming industry is growing which leads to belive more people are interested in games and people are willing to spend more money on games. ( http://www.itvoice.in/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Newzoo.png )

As fot the last question, the fact they are not seen as substitutes right now doesn't mean they won't be in the future. In Japan, for thier different culture and prefences smart devices have already eroded a large part of the home console market. Also competition can be indirect, given all customers have limited finances, the more money they'll spend on smartphones the less will be avaliable for other devices. In other words, while it's true no one buys a tablet 'instead' of a Ps4, for many the purchase of a tablet or a new smartphone can make the purchase of a console a second priority.

Im just sayiing right now when it comes to consoles, A Ninty system is gonna be complementaryd, IF people want to buy more than one console and it doesnt seem like most of them want to judging from the sales of Wii U, so IMHO that strategy is not doing them any favors unless they can somehow get some market back from Sony and or MS and IMO im not seeing that happening anytime soon if ever, . People are still buying there handhelds so that would be the more complentary system if anything else. So consoles, meh. Handhelds ok

Fair enough



ps4tw said:
JWeinCom said:
O_o... Do you want to maybe wait to see if VR sells first?

Seems to be selling well if preorders are anything to go by - if Nintendo wait until PSVR is released and they sit back for a year without doing anything, they'd lose precious time.

Plus, what do you think Nintendo should do with its next console?

you realize that the amount of VR preorders combined are nothing next to a console, even recent Nintendo consoles right? people are claiming that the VR preorders are good because they have nothing to compare them too

 

absurd thread though. Nintendo is still extremely relevant which is why people like you constantly make threads discussing them and making projections and predictions.

if you Google video games related to Nintendo/Sony/Microsoft, there generally will be more Nintendo news popping up than anything else. they are extremely relevant and have tons of people interested in their future.

There is a big difference between people not being thrilled about their current system offerings and them not being relevant. I'm a huge Nintendo fan and have owned practically every system they've ever released but I don't like a lot what they do now (well I like the 3DS to some degree). 

Nintendo will stay massively relevant as long as they hold their powerful IPS/characters, are releasing systems, and have lots of money in the bank to market themselves and release content. All still remain true now.

Again, there's a reason that despite poor recent home console sales Nintendo is still constantly being discussed.

 

on specific topic though something like Virtual Reality is literally the LAST thing Nintendo needs to get involved with at this point. All they've done for the past decade has been jumping to one gimmick to the next. Sometimes its a home run, sometimes its a miss, but they've already been doing things in similar vain and their fanbase as well as casual fans are fairly tired of it.

Nintendo has the money and they have the games at this point. All they need to do is go back to REGULAR hardcore gaming. Like the Gamecube (obviously without a small disk or strange disk format holding them back) in terms of a good spec system with a solid regular controller.

 

IF they release a standard system with solid specs, some level of backwards compatibility, a traditional controller- it will sell well. Bear in mind Nintendo has not done this on the home console segment in a few generations. They need to go back to it. Release a traditional system with something like these three titles: a new Mario Galaxy, a Pokemon game, and some new IP (Splatoon? a horror game? another Bayonetta?) and the system will sell like hotcakes

 

I'm telling you, literally all Nintendo needs to do is go back to the basics with good specs and release their next home console with a highly in demand game (Mario Galaxy sequel or Pokemon Open World or something) and it will fly off the shelves. Hell either one of those games would have made the Wii U do better despite the poor decisions made for its hardware/accessories



I'm not quoting because it doesm't seem appropriate to go on arguing. But the WiiU wasn't designed to be a complementary home console, that was not its purpose at all. Also the Wii, even if it ended up in a similar situation, it was not their intent to begin whith.



freebs2 said:
I'm not quoting because it doesm't seem appropriate to go on arguing. But the WiiU wasn't designed to be a complementary home console, that was not its purpose at all. Also the Wii, even if it ended up in a similar situation, it was not their intent to begin whith.

absolutely but thats kinda what it turned into.

 

http://mynintendonews.com/2015/03/18/nintendo-president-admits-that-the-wii-u-probably-isnt-peoples-first-console-of-choice/