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Bryank75 said:
KLXVER said:
If the games are still playable on my old PS4, then I don't care. Just don't be a dick like Nintendo with the N3DS.

I would assume all games would be common until about 2019 or 2010.... eventually they will have to leave the original behind though. But they could draw a line in the sand and say " original PS4 will run everything until June 2019" for instance.

Thats fine.



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KLXVER said:
If the games are still playable on my old PS4, then I don't care. Just don't be a dick like Nintendo with the N3DS.

They are a dick for having one freaking exclusive game on N3DS? One wii port of a niche game that is also avalible on wiiu for 20$?

WOW what a dicks! 



Nothing wrong but it kinda sucks for regular PS4 owners, of course if sony keeps making the same games for both systems then no problem.



                                                                                     

Goodnightmoon said:
KLXVER said:
If the games are still playable on my old PS4, then I don't care. Just don't be a dick like Nintendo with the N3DS.

They are a dick for having one freaking exclusive game on N3DS? One wii port of a niche game that is also avalible on wiiu for 20$?

WOW what a dicks! 

SNES games? There was no reason for making anything exclusive to it.



There is absolutely nothing wrong in theory, but I think is really fun to see how the same people that has been shitting about N3DS since it was revealed is now saying this is wonderful and makes no trouble at all. Hypocrisy has no limits.



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Before we all wet our panties with blood and cringe like a 14 year old girl on her period, shouldn't we first know what PS4.5 is and how it affects PS4 gaming. That is if it us actually going to happen in the first place.



Please excuse my (probally) poor grammar

potato_hamster said:
Bryank75 said:

I've heard a lot of people say over the last week or so that "if there is a PS4.5, that they are out of console gaming".

My question is: Why is that so bad?

You'll get to keep your games and have them enhanced each time a new iteration is released and all the peripherals e.g. controllers, VR, racing wheels etc. will no doubt be compatible. It will lead to companies focusing on making new games and not wasting resources on HD / remasters and give people a long window to upgrade.

It also rewards people who already had the previous model through scrapage or trade-in value.

I think it is pretty exciting to possibly have more power available to give a better experience an a higher end option for PS enthusiasts.

Because in reality it rewards no one.

Because in reality developers will always develop in the most affordable way possible - for the lowest common demoninator, which means either the PS4 or the PS4.5 do no get the attention they actually deserve without driving up development costs, and you cant possibly expect developers to spend more money when there is little to no chance that extra effort will lead to more sales. Developers will also suddenly have to program online play to account for the hardware differences. Which means 99% if ganes will probably not take advantage of the additional performance for anything other than things like load times.

Because in reality it means that everyone that bought a PS4 expecting developers to give that console their best efforts for the next 5-7 years suddenly cannot count on that any more.


This simply is not true. The increased development costs and "lack of focus" or "lack of effort" due to having to make games in two PS4 versions are totally insignificant.

Where did you get the idea that online play in particular would require any special consideration just because there were two PS4s?

Already the extra resources needed to port between Xbox and PS4 in this gen are very minor, they are that small (<5% of dev costs). Because the two machines are quite similar. And obviously a PS4 and PS4K would be extremely similar. The extra effort needed to make two PS4 versions wouldn't be even 1%.



Goodnightmoon said:
KLXVER said:
If the games are still playable on my old PS4, then I don't care. Just don't be a dick like Nintendo with the N3DS.

They are a dick for having one freaking exclusive game on N3DS? One wii port of a niche game that is also avalible on wiiu for 20$?

WOW what a dicks! 

Try playing Super Nintendo eshop games on a regular 3DS and see what happens.



OdinHades said:
I don't care about graphics. I buy consoles because I don't want to worry about hardware and stuff. I just buy the damn thing and I'm good for at least five years. If they beef up the specs, sooner or later there will be games exclusively for that new machine, forcing me to either miss certain games or buy new hardware. That would piss me off.

If I wanted to think about hardware and upgrade every 2 or 3 years, I would just get a PC.

the key is that what ms is doing and what i'm sure sony is doing is that games will be forward/backward compatible. 

sony will mandate all games work on ps4 and ps4.5 can run the same game with higher specs.  since you don't care about graphics then don't upgrade.  you can still use your ps4 for at least 5 years.   in another 3 years the ps5 comes out and all games are mandated to at least work on a ps4.5.  plenty of games (indies espectially) will support ps4 just because they can.  any hardware you buy plays all games for at least 6 years,.. developers don't have to worry about generational transitions so much,.. sony gets more money from the hardcores that just have to have the latest version every 3 years,.. games don't stagnate soo much like they tend to late gen,..

 

i dunno,.. i'm no an iphone 4s and it's not a big deal to me.  most applications i care about still work on my phone so i don't feel the need to upgrade so saved a lot of money buy not upgrading lately.  i don't see how consoles following this same business models is a bad thing because non-graphics whores will get a console that lasts even longer than the 5 year generations we are accustom to and graphics whores will have a new toy to play with every 2-3 years. 

seems fine to me.   the only problem i see is how does sony clearly communicate to retail consumers what the mimime required version is.  on iphone it is easy because everything is digital but physical is a different beast.



potato_hamster said:
Goodnightmoon said:

They are a dick for having one freaking exclusive game on N3DS? One wii port of a niche game that is also avalible on wiiu for 20$?

WOW what a dicks! 

Try playing Super Nintendo eshop games on a regular 3DS and see what happens.

Oh sorry, now you got me. A wii port (that is cheaper on wiiu) and like 5 old snes games, not a single new game for the system but hey, now the regular 3ds is completely obsolete, what a dicks! Now I have to resign myself to play the other 99.99% of the games while I keep complaining about the 0.01% of old games that I cant play. 

Meanwhile there is a bunch of people that have been complaining about N3DS not having exclusives. Confusing times to be a gamer.