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Lawlight said:
gintama said:
i think if suicide squad fail to deliver , the dc universe will be at risk
well , at least the animated dc movies are great

What if BvS makes $1B?

it will make even more than that , it is batman and superman , everyone want to watch it . But every movie can't have batman or superman , so if SQ (and WW, i think it is in post prod ) fail to make a profit or underperform , the dc universe is at risk like i said



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Lawlight said:
V-r0cK said:
Expected. DC is just rushing this to compete with Marvel's movies.

Rushing? It's been 3 years since Man of Steel.

They're having a Justice League movie out soon with no Green Lantern in it.  If missing a key character for the Justice League doesn't sound rushed to you then I don't know what is.  And you can't say it's all part of their plan because that's just plain stupid.  

...Ok fine, either they're rushing it or just stupid.



JWeinCom said:
Really not a surprise after Man of Steel. After seeing the creative team fail to successfully work with one character, I didn't see how adding another two or three heroes and an extra villain or two would help things. My mom is a big Superman fan and may try to guilt me into seeing this :-/

I think the issue is pretty obvious with the Man of Steel and now this: Zack Snyder. 

he can do certain things FAIRLY well, like adapting underappreciated (relatively) graphic novels (Watchmen / Sucker Punch) or with doing an interesting take on effects (300), but Man of Steel and now likely B v S really show that he just not is a well rounded director.

All he seems good at these days is making big cool CGI fight scenes, but that's useless if you can't well pace a story or get the dramatic directing end of it done correctly. I don't think Snyder can tell a story very well. If you look at his arguably best film, 300, it was an extremely simple narrative placed around tons of awesome set pieces and action sequences. Good acting and pacing wasn't really key (although Gerald Butler was perfect for his role).

  They needed to either go with a fun director who would take this less seriously OR a director like Christopher Nolan. Picking Zach Snyder repeatedly is just a mistake. I actually liked Man of Steel OKAY but in the end its a rather shallow film that just waits for the next fight scene over and over again (from the viewer's perspective)

I'm not surprised. hire a new director, possibly even an up and comer who has something to prove. Snyder has gotten progressively worse overtime, his latest films are a far cry of the quality from 300/Watchmen

 

Note: I do think Snyder did a great job with Watchmen, so much so that you have to wonder if a lot of others were involved in the forefront of that considering it was paced and told 99.9% better than any of his other stuff

 

I don't think the actors or plot are necessarily the issue with this. Although it does seem absurd to introduce all of these heroes together without giving them a solo appearance in a solid individual film yet (Affleck Batman and Wonder Woman)



Turkish said:

Sometimes RT scores don't reflect how much a movie I liked.

Take SW episode 7 for example, it's just a remake, prettier, new names, that's all, very safe movie by the numbers, yet it has like 90%.

Man of Steel has a 56% btw, and I enjoyed it a lot.

but SW episode 7 is actually a quite GOOD film. Its enjoyable, even if it is a rehash. its not bad. Its not poorly paced. it doesn't try to cram too much into one film.

bear in mind that the tomatometer simple gauges whether or not critics LIKED a film. so if they rated it 55% or 60% I believe that would practically be considerined a 'positive' tomato. The point being that a film can have census rating of like 6.0 and still be considering 90% positive just because a ton of critics like the movie a bit more than they disliked it.

 

SW episode 7 would be a poor thing to compare with Man of Steel though. I like Man of Steel but objectively speaking its certainly not a great superhero movie, especially next to things like Guardians of the Galaxy or the first Iron Man (or the Batman films for that matter, the Keaton one OR the Nolan ones)



Lawlight said:
JRPGfan said:

Man of steel was really bad.

It has a 55 metacritic score for a reason.

I think you're misinterpreting what the RT score is. 55% does not mean a movie is bad. Think of a movie that has a score of 50%. Half of the people liked it and the other half didn't. Does that mean that the movie was good or bad?

I watched it... it was a bad movie (imo).



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The first big trailer was a god awful mess that gave away everything and it set the tone of this movie for me. I'm still gonna go watch but my expectations have been severely lowered. Hopefully, Civil War does better critically.



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mountaindewslave said:
JWeinCom said:
Really not a surprise after Man of Steel. After seeing the creative team fail to successfully work with one character, I didn't see how adding another two or three heroes and an extra villain or two would help things. My mom is a big Superman fan and may try to guilt me into seeing this :-/

I think the issue is pretty obvious with the Man of Steel and now this: Zack Snyder. 

he can do certain things FAIRLY well, like adapting underappreciated (relatively) graphic novels (Watchmen / Sucker Punch) or with doing an interesting take on effects (300), but Man of Steel and now likely B v S really show that he just not is a well rounded director.

All he seems good at these days is making big cool CGI fight scenes, but that's useless if you can't well pace a story or get the dramatic directing end of it done correctly. I don't think Snyder can tell a story very well. If you look at his arguably best film, 300, it was an extremely simple narrative placed around tons of awesome set pieces and action sequences. Good acting and pacing wasn't really key (although Gerald Butler was perfect for his role).

  They needed to either go with a fun director who would take this less seriously OR a director like Christopher Nolan. Picking Zach Snyder repeatedly is just a mistake. I actually liked Man of Steel OKAY but in the end its a rather shallow film that just waits for the next fight scene over and over again (from the viewer's perspective)

I'm not surprised. hire a new director, possibly even an up and comer who has something to prove. Snyder has gotten progressively worse overtime, his latest films are a far cry of the quality from 300/Watchmen

 

Note: I do think Snyder did a great job with Watchmen, so much so that you have to wonder if a lot of others were involved in the forefront of that considering it was paced and told 99.9% better than any of his other stuff

 

I don't think the actors or plot are necessarily the issue with this. Although it does seem absurd to introduce all of these heroes together without giving them a solo appearance in a solid individual film yet (Affleck Batman and Wonder Woman)

Watchmen is damn near a master peice.

Its weird to think the same guy that did that, made Man of Steel.



JRPGfan said:
LivingMetal said:
Oh... No... I'm not a DC fan by any stretch of the imagination, but I was willing to give this a chance. Usually, it's all or nothing for me. It's just that I have yet to watch Man of Steel so obviously it would be best to watch that before SvB. I just ordered the Man of Steel Blu-Ray. I was told it was a great movie in and of itself, but it's not worth owning to me DC movies are not going to pan out. We'll see what happens.

Man of steel was really bad.

It has a 55 metacritic score for a reason.

Hmmm...  I just went by word of mouth about Man od Steel.  Like I said, not a DC fan so I didn't look it up online.  Thaks though.



Now that i've seen it i can say it isn't a bad movie. May not be better than Avengers or Winter Soldier, but still a really great movie



V-r0cK said:
Lawlight said:

Rushing? It's been 3 years since Man of Steel.

They're having a Justice League movie out soon with no Green Lantern in it.  If missing a key character for the Justice League doesn't sound rushed to you then I don't know what is.  And you can't say it's all part of their plan because that's just plain stupid.  

...Ok fine, either they're rushing it or just stupid.

The Avengers came without some key characters like Ant Man, who had a movie in production before Iron Man. Do you really think Marvel had one plan and stuck to it? Spider-Man got added to Civil War in the last 2 weeks of shooting. That's not rushing?