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Wyrdness said:
Miyamotoo said:

I already said several times Wii U had weak launch and 1st year lineup, so I agree that big bang doesnt means much without strong whole 1st year. You assuming that Zelda and 3D Mario are all cards they have and they will not have nothing after that, I assuming they will have good games to release after launch regardless Zelda and 3D Mario, I expecting great launch and 1st year lineup. 

Xbox 360 arrived at end of one and at beginning of another generation, same like Wii U, not in middle of generation. NX will come in middle generation, exactly 3 years after PS4/X1 launch, in time of those consoles life when they are basically strongest.

360 arrived 4 years into its predecessors life in the middle of a gen and was announced 3 years into the gen, the PS2 was still in full swing and strongest.

I'm not assuming anything that's what you're doing here, I'm telling you it's better that they use their cards more strategically, Zelda and LM at launch, Pikmin 4 following the launch window,  another title for Spring and summer then 3D Mario for Q4 for example. This way momentum is maintained and far better than your big bang approach, only way I can see them having a load of games post launch with a big holiday title at the end of the launch year if they launch with Zelda and Mario is if the is a shared library than yes they can launch with those two although I doubt they will even then as the portable side has bigger movers than Mario in games like Pokemon so on.

PS2 was launched at 2000, Xbox 360 was launched in 2005, Wii and PS3 were launched just one year later in 2006. So I really don't see how you can claim Xbox 360 arrived in middle of generation when arrived just one year before other consoles of that gen, PS3/Wii!?

I dont agree, IMO much better is to have Zelda and Mario 3D at launch, Pikmin following launch window, LM around march....and at end for Q4 we could have Mario Kart or some other big title. So we would have big bang approach and momentum. I also count on shared library of unified platform.



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Miyamotoo said:
Wyrdness said:

360 arrived 4 years into its predecessors life in the middle of a gen and was announced 3 years into the gen, the PS2 was still in full swing and strongest.

I'm not assuming anything that's what you're doing here, I'm telling you it's better that they use their cards more strategically, Zelda and LM at launch, Pikmin 4 following the launch window,  another title for Spring and summer then 3D Mario for Q4 for example. This way momentum is maintained and far better than your big bang approach, only way I can see them having a load of games post launch with a big holiday title at the end of the launch year if they launch with Zelda and Mario is if the is a shared library than yes they can launch with those two although I doubt they will even then as the portable side has bigger movers than Mario in games like Pokemon so on.

PS2 was launched at 2000, Xbox 360 was launched in 2005, Wii and PS3 were launched just one year later in 2006. So I really don't see how you can claim Xbox 360 arrived in middle of generation when arrived just one year before other consoles of that gen, PS3/Wii.

I dont agree, IMO much better is to have Zelda and Mario 3D at launch, Pikmin following launch window, LM around march....and at end for Q4 we could have Mario Kart or some other big title. So we would have big bang approach and momentum. I also count on shared library of unified platform.

I would also say using a lot of their biggest titles up front COULD give it a fairly large install base (at least for a launch year), which may attract third party developers. Third parties were dabbling with the Wii U until the sales dropped off a cliff within the first year (granted none of the third party games were all that great compared to their counter parts when talking about mulitplats when talking about most of them) and then third party couldn't jump ship fast enough. 

If they could get around 12 million out of the gate first year it would make the platform a LOT more attractive to developers than the 6 it wound up with, most of which were sold during it's release.



Miyamotoo said:

PS2 was launched at 2000, Xbox 360 was launched in 2005, Wii and PS3 were launched just one year later in 2006. So I really don't see how you can claim Xbox 360 arrived in middle of generation when arrived just one year before other consoles of that gen, PS3/Wii!?

I dont agree, IMO much better is to have Zelda and Mario 3D at launch, Pikmin following launch window, LM around march....and at end for Q4 we could have Mario Kart or some other big title. So we would have big bang approach and momentum. I also count on shared library of unified platform.

The other consoles came as a response to the 360, if you don't remember many considered that gen to have much more potential, 360 was announced in 2004 3 years into the life of the Xbox and launched a year after, this was in the middle of the gen and forced gen 6 to end earlier than everyone expected. Lets not forget MegaDrive also did the same launching mid gen against the NES so no this is nothing new.

Your whole big bang scenario is based on assumptions and tbh I'm not asking you to agree I'm telling what's more logical in the case of dealing with fudamental problems while not going by assumptions. Look at your argument for a start it goes off into speculating Mario Kart in order to fill the holes you've created by dumping big cards upfront.



Wyrdness said:
Miyamotoo said:

PS2 was launched at 2000, Xbox 360 was launched in 2005, Wii and PS3 were launched just one year later in 2006. So I really don't see how you can claim Xbox 360 arrived in middle of generation when arrived just one year before other consoles of that gen, PS3/Wii!?

I dont agree, IMO much better is to have Zelda and Mario 3D at launch, Pikmin following launch window, LM around march....and at end for Q4 we could have Mario Kart or some other big title. So we would have big bang approach and momentum. I also count on shared library of unified platform.

The other consoles came as a response to the 360, if you don't remember many considered that gen to have much more potential, 360 was announced in 2004 3 years into the life of the Xbox and launched a year after, this was in the middle of the gen and forced gen 6 to end earlier than everyone expected. Lets not forget MegaDrive also did the same launching mid gen against the NES so no this is nothing new.

Your whole big bang scenario is based on assumptions and tbh I'm not asking you to agree I'm telling what's more logical in the case of dealing with fudamental problems while not going by assumptions. Look at your argument for a start it goes off into speculating Mario Kart in order to fill the holes you've created by dumping big cards upfront.

I gave you pure facts that tell that Xbox 360 wasn't launchd in middle of generation, Xbox 360-2005, PS3/Wii-2006. So no, Xbox 360 was launched at beginning of 7th generation not in middle of 6th generation. How you can claim that Xbox 360 was launched in middle of generation when was launched just one year before PS3/Wii, that would basicly means PS3/Wii are also launched in middle of generation because its just one year difference, it doesn't make any sense. This is first time I ever heard someone said Xbox360 was launched in middle of generation.

At this point we can only assume and speculating. I also saying what's more logical in this whole situation, you dont agree with me and thats ok.



Miyamotoo said:

I gave you pure facts that tell that Xbox 360 wasn't launchd in middle of generation, Xbox 360-2005, PS3/Wii-2006. So no, Xbox 360 was launched at beginning of 7th generation not in middle of 6th generation. How you can claim that Xbox 360 was launched in middle of generation when was launched just one year before PS3/Wii, that would basicly means PS3/Wii are also launched in middle of generation because its just one year difference, it doesn't make any sense. This is first time I ever heard someone said Xbox360 was launched in middle of generation.

At this point we can only assume and speculating. I also saying what's more logical in this whole situation, you dont agree with me and thats ok.

And I've given you another example with the Megadrive but you seem to sidestep that, 360 came early in it's predecessor's life same with NX, 360 forced an end to a previous and guess what ofcourse it launched at the beginning of the 7th gen it's a 7th gen console much like NX is launching at the beginning of the 9th gen as it will be a 9th gen console.

Making assumptions like "Maybe they'll have Mario Kart for the holidays" is just adding another layer of assumption and is not really being logical, we can speculate on the 4 games because they've essentially got indicators pointing to them. Zelda is showing signs of getting a NX version much like TP back with the Wii, 3D Mario has always been present in the first year of a new platform, Pikmin 4 is confirmed to be near completion and it's omission from the recent ND points to it being a possible NX game and LM is a recent rumour that has come up but the have been rumours of a console LM game being in the works for over a year now which funny enough is when NLG became 2nd party.



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Wyrdness said:
Miyamotoo said:

I gave you pure facts that tell that Xbox 360 wasn't launchd in middle of generation, Xbox 360-2005, PS3/Wii-2006. So no, Xbox 360 was launched at beginning of 7th generation not in middle of 6th generation. How you can claim that Xbox 360 was launched in middle of generation when was launched just one year before PS3/Wii, that would basicly means PS3/Wii are also launched in middle of generation because its just one year difference, it doesn't make any sense. This is first time I ever heard someone said Xbox360 was launched in middle of generation.

At this point we can only assume and speculating. I also saying what's more logical in this whole situation, you dont agree with me and thats ok.

And I've given you another example with the Megadrive but you seem to sidestep that, 360 came early in it's predecessor's life same with NX, 360 forced an end to a previous and guess what ofcourse it launched at the beginning of the 7th gen it's a 7th gen console much like NX is launching at the beginning of the 9th gen as it will be a 9th gen console.

Making assumptions like "Maybe they'll have Mario Kart for the holidays" is just adding another layer of assumption and is not really being logical, we can speculate on the 4 games because they've essentially got indicators pointing to them. Zelda is showing signs of getting a NX version much like TP back with the Wii, 3D Mario has always been present in the first year of a new platform, Pikmin 4 is confirmed to be near completion and it's omission from the recent ND points to it being a possible NX game and LM is a recent rumour that has come up but the have been rumours of a console LM game being in the works for over a year now which funny enough is when NLG became 2nd party.

You said Xbox 360 was launched in middle generation, but fact is that isn't true. 360 arrived just one year before all others console of that generation, that definitely isn't middle of generation. NX coming 3 years after PS4/X1, I dont see PS5/X2 before 2019, so it basically will be in middle of PS4/X1 life cycle.

Mario Kart 8 was finished at beginning of 2014, I don't see why isn't logical to expect new Mario Kart game at end of 2017, also Retro finished DK at end of 2013, they are also on track to release their game in 1st year, there are definitely some 1st year projects we don't know anything.



Miyamotoo said:

You said Xbox 360 was launched in middle generation, but fact is that isn't true. 360 arrived just one year before all others console of that generation, that definitely isn't middle of generation. NX coming 3 years after PS4/X1, I dont see PS5/X2 before 2019, so it basically will be in middle of PS4/X1 life cycle.

Mario Kart 8 was finished at beginning of 2014, I don't see why isn't logical to expect new Mario Kart game at end of 2017, also Retro finished DK at end of 2013, they are also on track to release their game in 1st year, there are definitely some 1st year projects we don't know anything.

It was the middle of the gen though only difference was the reaction that it forced, both Sony and Nintendo to drop their consoles, 4 years into the life of both the GC and Xbox is the middle of the gen considering average console life is 6 years and again you ignore the Megadrive which highlights this is nothing new.

It's not logical because the's no indicator saying as such, you've just thrown that assumption in to try and fill a hole in your stance, before E3 2015 people swore the were many more new title for Wii U as well. On a shared library like you've said you're going by MK would take a bit longer to develop in order to work for both platforms being multiplayer focused and Retro have yet to do a game that is a big system mover as Metroid doesn't shift consoles so would be pointless as a holiday title and DK only really sells to the userbase already there so again can't fill that slot as a holiday mover.



Wyrdness said:
Miyamotoo said:

You said Xbox 360 was launched in middle generation, but fact is that isn't true. 360 arrived just one year before all others console of that generation, that definitely isn't middle of generation. NX coming 3 years after PS4/X1, I dont see PS5/X2 before 2019, so it basically will be in middle of PS4/X1 life cycle.

Mario Kart 8 was finished at beginning of 2014, I don't see why isn't logical to expect new Mario Kart game at end of 2017, also Retro finished DK at end of 2013, they are also on track to release their game in 1st year, there are definitely some 1st year projects we don't know anything.

It was the middle of the gen though only difference was the reaction that it forced, both Sony and Nintendo to drop their consoles, 4 years into the life of both the GC and Xbox is the middle of the gen considering average console life is 6 years and again you ignore the Megadrive which highlights this is nothing new.

It's not logical because the's no indicator saying as such, you've just thrown that assumption in to try and fill a hole in your stance, before E3 2015 people swore the were many more new title for Wii U as well. On a shared library like you've said you're going by MK would take a bit longer to develop in order to work for both platforms being multiplayer focused and Retro have yet to do a game that is a big system mover as Metroid doesn't shift consoles so would be pointless as a holiday title and DK only really sells to the userbase already there so again can't fill that slot as a holiday mover.

No Xbox 360 wasn't launched in middle of generation and thats a fact, you can still deny that fact.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_console

Like I wrote, at this point nothing is certain, especially this rumour about LM, all we can do is assume and speculating. 3.5 years is more than enuf for Mario Kart game, we dont know on what Retro is working exatly, we actualy had rumor about Diddy Kong Racing 2, also we had rumorus about SB4 port for NX, not to mentione posible, Pokkemon, Animal Crossing, or some other games...so we can just speculate and assume.



Miyamotoo said:

No Xbox 360 wasn't launched in middle of generation and thats a fact, you can still deny that fact.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_console

Like I wrote, at this point nothing is certain, especially this rumour about LM, all we can do is assume and speculating. 3.5 years is more than enuf for Mario Kart game, we dont know on what Retro is working exatly, we actualy had rumor about Diddy Kong Racing 2, also we had rumorus about SB4 port for NX, not to mentione posible, Pokkemon, Animal Crossing, or some other games...so we can just speculate and assume.

Yeah well you can believe what ever makes you sleep well also notice how you've been unable to dispute the main point that releasing in the middle of the gen has been done before with success as even if I remove the 360 from the equation you have flat out got no response for the Megadrive so either way my point still stands and you're still at square 1.

Nothing is certain yet some things have indicators towards them like an NX version of Zelda and making a stance like "oh they can release Mario at launch because they might have MK the same year" is not logic sorry nothing you say can change that that's just making a baseless assumption with the latter part.



Wyrdness said:
Miyamotoo said:

No Xbox 360 wasn't launched in middle of generation and thats a fact, you can still deny that fact.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_console

Like I wrote, at this point nothing is certain, especially this rumour about LM, all we can do is assume and speculating. 3.5 years is more than enuf for Mario Kart game, we dont know on what Retro is working exatly, we actualy had rumor about Diddy Kong Racing 2, also we had rumorus about SB4 port for NX, not to mentione posible, Pokkemon, Animal Crossing, or some other games...so we can just speculate and assume.

Yeah well you can believe what ever makes you sleep well also notice how you've been unable to dispute the main point that releasing in the middle of the gen has been done before with success as even if I remove the 360 from the equation you have flat out got no response for the Megadrive so either way my point still stands and you're still at square 1.

Nothing is certain yet some things have indicators towards them like an NX version of Zelda and making a stance like "oh they can release Mario at launch because they might have MK the same year" is not logic sorry nothing you say can change that that's just making a baseless assumption with the latter part.

I ignoring Megadrive comparison because we first talked about Xbox 360 not about Megadrive. NX and Megadrive comparison is similar, because Megadrive was released 3 years after NES same like NX will be released 3 years after PS4/X1, but again that was in 3. generation of consoles we are now in 8. generation of consoles so you really can't compare 3. and 8. generations, also NX will be released 3 years after two strong competitors were launched. If Nintendo wants NX have chance to succeed in middle of generation with sucha popularity of PS4, VR arriving, X1 solid sales, NX need to have great marketing, good price point, great launch and 1st year lineup, good support, something new (maybe that unified platform, or some sort of gimmick)....all that combine, Nintendo needs to do whatever is necessary to maximise chances for success of NX in such circumstances, they especially need to that after their worst selling console because they can't afford another faile of that level.

I think that Nintendo will have big title for next holiday season despite 3D Mario and Zelda, I don't see nothing illogical in that. At end, I think 3D Mario and Zelda will be launch titles and that will be great move, I also think Nintendo will have good 1st year support despite they will release 3D Mario and Zelda at launch, you dont think like and thats OK, so I really don't see what you trying to proof.