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Haven't we been through this many times already? Not enough many times, apparently, so I'll post my ramblings too.

I use a Mac, been using for about 2 years now after switching over from Windows. When I got the Mac, I also got XP install disks because I initially thought I'd want/need to run Windows via bootcamp. Well, that day hasn't come yet. Nowadays, whenever I have to use Windows, I find it frustrating. I think it's safe to say that OS X is much more polished and streamlined than anything Windows or Linux has to offer.

As for overpriced, that case has been repeated ad nauseaum. But, looking at things "objectively", Macs are not that overpriced, and the software is IMO cheap. Of course, it all depends on what you compare it to: against free, it's more oxpensive, and it is true that there is a general tendency for OS X software makers to charge for their programs. The selection of free software is not as extensive as for Windows (or, to a certain extent, Linux, though you can get a lot of ports). But anyway, about the only thing I really miss is IrfanView, I haven't found a comparable alternative for OS X yet.

Anyhow, I've been schocked that people seem to place no value whatsoever on design or usability. My two year old MacbookPro is still miles ahead of pretty much anything the PC-laptops have to offer when it comes to the quality, design and just overall experience I get from using it. It's been a revelation to me that using a computer does not have to be a chore, it can actually be a pleasant experience. I never, ever, experienced that with Windows.

And to all you Linux advocates, I've tried installing/using Linux on several occasions, and being Finnish I support it, but it just is not there yet. Last time was about a month ago when I downloaded and burned a Kubuntu install disk for my friend who got a clean laptop. The install went fine until he got a wireless PCMCIA card, which we could not get to work no matter what. After three people had spent hours trying to find out how to get it working, my friend gave up on Linux. My other Linux experiences have been somewhat similar, so I don't think it's for everybody yet.



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Plaupius said:

As for overpriced, that case has been repeated ad nauseaum. But, looking at things "objectively", Macs are not that overpriced, and the software is IMO cheap. Of course, it all depends on what you compare it to: against free, it's more oxpensive, and it is true that there is a general tendency for OS X software makers to charge for their programs. The selection of free software is not as extensive as for Windows (or, to a certain extent, Linux, though you can get a lot of ports). But anyway, about the only thing I really miss is IrfanView, I haven't found a comparable alternative for OS X yet.

Anyhow, I've been schocked that people seem to place no value whatsoever on design or usability. My two year old MacbookPro is still miles ahead of pretty much anything the PC-laptops have to offer when it comes to the quality, design and just overall experience I get from using it. It's been a revelation to me that using a computer does not have to be a chore, it can actually be a pleasant experience. I never, ever, experienced that with Windows.

OH I do place value on usability and design. Personally I find the layout of OS X to be extremely frustrating the number one issue is the dock which goes against the key rules of a GUI and wastes work space. I do like the borderless edges on OSX windows though. I do not like the menus being on top of the screen particularily when multitaksing. I do not like having to readjust the windows while maximizing(for what ever purpose either to fit the window to viewable area of a web page or to fill the whole screen). The thing about usability and design is it is subjective and not one size fits all and this is a place that OSX fails the most. What if I want the apple bar on the bottom nope forget about it not gonna happen. That is poor design. Another thing that irks me is when i have several open windows like lets say Logic 8 and Compressor. Now I jump form one to the otehr and then goto the top and select the file option  once that program is active instead of going to the top of the window and clicking on file before it is open allowing for quicker access to options on non active windows. Or the whole red X thing that you quit but not really quit and having to goto the taskbar to actually quit. I know there are keyboard shortcuts that allow these things to be faster but as a GUI it is more cumbersome IMO.Finally Lenovo makes better laptops than Macbook pros and when was the last time you could buy a quad core MacBook Pro or even a Macbook Pro that had intergrated Blue Ray. The Hardware still lags. OSX made Fitt role in his grave.



Plaupius said:

As for overpriced, that case has been repeated ad nauseaum. But, looking at things "objectively", Macs are not that overpriced, and the software is IMO cheap. Of course, it all depends on what you compare it to: against free, it's more oxpensive, and it is true that there is a general tendency for OS X software makers to charge for their programs. The selection of free software is not as extensive as for Windows (or, to a certain extent, Linux, though you can get a lot of ports). But anyway, about the only thing I really miss is IrfanView, I haven't found a comparable alternative for OS X yet.

Anyhow, I've been schocked that people seem to place no value whatsoever on design or usability. My two year old MacbookPro is still miles ahead of pretty much anything the PC-laptops have to offer when it comes to the quality, design and just overall experience I get from using it. It's been a revelation to me that using a computer does not have to be a chore, it can actually be a pleasant experience. I never, ever, experienced that with Windows.

OH I do place value on usability and design. Personally I find the layout of OS X to be extremely frustrating the number one issue is the dock which goes against the key rules of a GUI and wastes work space. I do like the borderless edges on OSX windows though. I do not like the menus being on top of the screen particularily when multitaksing. I do not like having to readjust the windows while maximizing(for what ever purpose either to fit the window to viewable area of a web page or to fill the whole screen). The thing about usability and design is it is subjective and not one size fits all and this is a place that OSX fails the most. What if I want the apple bar on the bottom nope forget about it not gonna happen. That is poor design. Another thing that irks me is when i have several open windows like lets say Logic 8 and Compressor. Now I jump form one to the otehr and then goto the top and select the file option  once that program is active instead of going to the top of the window and clicking on file before it is open allowing for quicker access to options on non active windows. Or the whole red X thing that you quit but not really quit and having to goto the taskbar to actually quit. I know there are keyboard shortcuts that allow these things to be faster but as a GUI it is more cumbersome IMO.Finally Lenovo makes better laptops than Macbook pros and when was the last time you could buy a quad core MacBook Pro or even a Macbook Pro that had intergrated Blue Ray. The Hardware still lags. OSX made Fitt role in his grave.





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I really haven't seen a difference on campus between the PC's and Macs when it comes to Adobe Software. Honestly, the biggest positive for using a Mac on campus is that every Mac has a wide screen monitor (nice ones too for the graphical design or two for video editing ones) while the PC's only have a 19" 4:3 LCD. Then again, the Macs have a larger emphasis on adobe software and the like so the PC's with adobe software are the ones for business classes and such.

When it comes to usability on campus, I much prefer the PC's when it comes to doing graphical design stuff. Messing with open windows with the F keys is cool, but I dislike the keyboards and I really hate the Mac mice, I'd rather bring my own mouse to class than use a Mac mouse. People say that Mac is the best thing for stuff like graphical design, but my experience leads me to differ unless there is something I don't know about. In fact, I'd say that you can do similar things, it's just you have to do them a little differently.

When it comes to my PC, gaming is the biggest thing so it's no contest for me. I'm not sure how somebody can say a Mac isn't expensive because building your own PC is nothing compared to the cost of a Mac.



PCs, always PCs. Mac users just think the mac is great because it's going against the grain. PCs are just as good, in fact better. Macs aren't even compatible with 99% of the software a PC has and it costs twice as much. You can't upgrade it simply, it has to be really expensive specific hardware. Also when a mac user says they don't need anti virus software ask them how the recent Trojan horse outbreak that the mac couldn't stop because it doesn't have anti virus software.

Macs just straight out suck



Macs all the way. I work in graphics so that has a lot to do with it. I just prefer them over Windows. Never used Linux although I would love to try it sometime. I do not play PC games so that does not matter to me. For personal I use the iWork and iLife programs all the time and absolutely love them.



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I've never used OSX other than a few college classes. It wasn't bad, it was awkward because I had to learn it as I went.

But other than that, I haven't used Macs, and I can still say I prefer PCs, because they're cheaper, I can build them how I want them, and most importantly, I can play games.

I love playing games on my PC, and I'm not going to spend a fortune on a Mac to get a mediocre gaming system. I'm good with my $500 PC and $170 22" monitor that lets me play TF2 on max settings.

And Linux? Do you have an opinion on that?

 


Uh what about Linux?  This thread was about Mac vs. PC I thought.  I don't care about Linux.  I bet some of them like Ubuntu might be nice to use, but I prefer the Windows support.  Windows may suck, but I have no issues using it, and it has the support for all the programs and games, no extra work required.

PCs with Windows are easy to use, because everything uses Windows, especially games.  Microsoft sucks, sure, and Windows has problems, but I find it easy to use. 

PCs are cheap, they are CHEEEEEEEAP.  I can build a PC that is much faster than a Mac, and I'm not just talking about games, for TONS, TONS, TONS cheaper.  There's no argument there...any Mac fan that tries to refute it always brings up Dell prices, and that's not what I'm talking about.

PCs are easy to upgrade, and reselling is not an issue for me, because I wouldn't resell any of my stuff...I always pass my computers on to relatives and friends, because it's usually better than their current PC.  That only happens about once every 4-5 years amongst me and my friends.

 



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I've used a Mac a few times and I just didn't like it. It's possible that I'm just so use to Windows, but at the same time I've never had a problem with Windows. My new laptop I'm getting is going to have Vista, so I'll see how that turns out.

So yeah, PC all the way for me.