Sure, Nintendo needs to change but that's something that they need to, and are, figuring out. I know we all want Nintendo to "grow up" but people who think like that are selfish and don't understand Nintendo. There are kids born every day and just like you they might get interested in games. Nintendo is most likely that introductory letter to videogames for most children. Unless you let your 5 year old kill people in CoD. Nintendo stands where they stand because you feel that you've grown too old to play with them. If so, that's your choice but they aren't going to chase you down just to gain your loyalty.

People who love Nintendo, never left them because they loved what their games stood for. If wholesome, family and fun isn't your cup of tea then yeah, Nintendo probably isnt for you. Nintendo was founded by family men. Men who put family before everything else. Hiroshi Yamauchi being the first president of that mantra, even going as far as dubbing their first game console, the Family Computer. That's what they stand for and I don't think they should let that go. And it's not like "Grown ups" don't have much to play on Nintendo. The Zelda games, Metroid games, Mario, well... most of their franchises are perfectly playable throughout the generations. It's just that we feel that Nintendo should "catch up" with us. I guess in terms of style and theme of today's games.

C'mon. Not fair! Being third of three is not quite the same as being 4th in 20.

Second point, I like that. Well said.

Third point. I was thinking financially. Champions League brings in money, third-party brings in money. Winning the Champions League will be like a AAA third-party game selling best on a Nintendo system. I can see why you didn't get it.

You sound like a Spud... no offence.

I believe the "kid market" thing is purely sociological in nature. I'm 36, I play Mario and Zelda, Donkey Kong Country, Pikmin, Smash Bros... hell, I've recently, for the first time, started playing a Pokemon game... and yet, regardless of what people say online, I have had more fun with those games than current "grown up" titles.

The "kid" thing was created by Sega. Sega started that whole angle because they wanted to beat Nintendo, and it worked. But the damage was long lasting. People, including myself for years, were brainwashed into thinking that non-violent games with color and charm were for kids. That a game had to have killing, mature themes, blood, violence or sexual overtones in order to be "grown up". But, again, that was just marketing and we were all tools. Was Sega great? Sure. Were their games legendary in their own right? Sure... but that whole marketing thing, it took it's toll.

Nintendo is like Disney. Snow White was not intended to be a kids movie. Kids were NOT the ones that made that movie great and they weren't what put Disney on the map. But as time went on, other companies managed to use cartoons as a tool to sell kids stories and thus, society started to deme the entire art form of cartoons a "kids thing". Nintendo suffers from the same fate.

I'm just glad I was born with a critical mind. Otherwise, I'd be playing COD 1,000, drinking Monster energy drinks, wearing oversized headphones and Twitching my no scoping skillz 24/7.

Thing is, they don't have to "catch up" at all. All they have to do is figure out a way to get the best AAA third party titles on their platform and the problem is solved for everyone. You'd have those classic Nintendo titles AND the more violent, shooting based, darker games as well.  

I agree with that. They would benefit from 3rd parties but how much is the question. It, theoretically seems like a no-brainer for Nintendo to succeed with their killer 1st party and killer top tier 3rd parties like Naughty Dog, Bungee, Bethesda, etc. But what I'm wary of is how the gaming world will accept this new Nintendo. Would they really jump ship from Sony's insanely strong PS4 at a heartbeat just to be able to play Nintendo and 3rd parties on the same console? I mean, yeah it sounds like a win-win situation but brand loyalty is strong in electronics. I don't think Nintendo could, without trouble, regain the succcess it had with the NES, SNES, N64 or even GameCube. That being said, if Nintendo were to make a move to validate and cement their willingness to respect the needs of 3rd party developers, it has to be now, it has to be NX. Their consoles are slowly fading into obscurity. but I don't know if they can rebound just by adding 3rd party support alone.

But again if I, personally speaking this time, could get Final Fantasy VX, Dragon Quest XI, Star Ocean V, Street Fighter V, Persona 5, CoD, Destiny, Tales of, Tomb Raider, Half Life, etc. AND Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, Donkey Kong, Kirby, Pikmin, Smash, Mario Kart, etc. on the same console, I'd only need one: the Nintend one. This is how I believe Nintendo could rebound.

What is arsenal?

No no no.. At least Nintendo still has worldclass top games while Arsenal has Giroud and Theo Walcott.. And while you can say that a game like Other M is a Giroud, Arsenal only has a Cech and Ozil which are like 3D world and splatoon not even Mario Kart 8 or SSBWiiU level

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