Mr Puggsly said: Mike_L said: You're a good guy Puggs. You don't have to be amazed anymore though. Like yourself, many PS fans lean to PS4 beacuse SCE has been doing a great job at pumping out games that appeal to them. 1 game sells 10 mill on console A and 10 games sell 1 mill on console B. Either way you have a lot potentially happy people and I don't think the variety on console B makes them any less happy, just because their favorite game didn't sell 10 mill. 1: Again, Sony's first party just isn't selling well enough to make me think people are buying PS4's for that amazing 1st party line up. Its not like it has Nintendo attach rates. 2: I think what really helped PS4 this gen was an abysmal launch of the X1. And I'd also argue PS3's abysmal launch helped Xbox greatly.

1: I can't speak on behalf of all but personally I always buy the console with the exclsuives that cater to me the most (given that it has strong 3rd party support).

2: Failed launches will definitely help the competition. Can't argue with that.

This is the type of game that I like the most and thanks to MS bringing it to PC, I'm gonna buy it and play it. I'm no longer a student, so I don't have time to invest 100 hours into a single title. I've recently finished Arkham Assylum and I think that game is pretty much perfect lenght. Similar to Uncharted. I like story-driven games that are tight, intense and not drawn-out. I see this is what they were going after in this game, hopefully the effect is on par with their previous games

What this article says a triple A game should be, and the reasons I play games, are so far apart it isn't even funny.

Mr Puggsly said: naruball said: Can't believe you're the only person in this thread who gets it. You can't compare well established Ninty franchises (Mario and Zelda, really?) with a new IP. The genre also plays a huge part. Bottom line is, with Single player games you can easily beat the game in a week and trade it off. The market is then flooded with second hand copies and that seriously hurts sales. There's a reason so many single player games had multiplayer that seemed to have come out of nowhere. Tomb Raider and God of War are prime examples. Also, you are correct. For every successful Sony game, there are at least three that either didn't make a profit or possibly made a tiny one. We are also at a point where we see many studios (1st party included) taking less risks and sticking with established IPs. Sony for example got a lot of praise for pumping out many IPs last gen. This just gen we're seeing a much heavier reliance on 3rd parties, less big budget 1st party developed games, and more remasters to bolster the library. But I don't complain because I understand the risks and know many of those PS3 releases didn't pay off.

LOL What are you even talking about man? Sony has tons of first party games announced and already released many first party games. They had several ports last generation so that is nothing new and all companies are porting games si what point are you making? Most of Sony's games have been new games with more to come with. THey had plenty of sequels last generation too so once again, what are you even talking about?

BTW most of their PS3 games went platinum so you are wrong as usual. No need to downplay Sony's success to defend MS's failures lol. Sony had over 10 different franchises that sold over 1 million last generation so as the other poster said they had no problem selling games without MP.

He always try to down play Sony, because he favors Xbox, which is fine, but he is generalizing and not thinking logically. Obviously the PS4 exclusives play a huge part (not the only part as it is not for any console) and if they didn't then why is the X1 not selling better since it has the same 3rd party games? His logic is flawed for that reason and the PS4 exclusives have sold better than the Xbox exclusives which is a fact so they are selling the console. He mentions Nintendo, but all there is on the WiiU are Nintendo games and the console has sold poorly. Once again his logic is flawed. He just can not accept the fact that Sony has more people who are into their brand.

Mike_L said: Mr Puggsly said: 1: Again, Sony's first party just isn't selling well enough to make me think people are buying PS4's for that amazing 1st party line up. Its not like it has Nintendo attach rates. 2: I think what really helped PS4 this gen was an abysmal launch of the X1. And I'd also argue PS3's abysmal launch helped Xbox greatly. 1: I can't speak on behalf of all but personally I always buy the console with the exclsuives that cater to me the most (given that it has strong 3rd party support). 2: Failed launches will definitely help the competition. Can't argue with that.

Mr Puggsly said: Mike_L said: What have happened to you Puggsly? I've been away for only 7 months and now I find myself agreeing with you and even admire the way you argue. You're right about SCE taking far less risks this gen compared to the last and while that is understandable they have to keep experimenting and take risks. Because that's what me and many other gamers liked about them last gen. You will have some misses but eventually strike gold and get a hit. For me, the many quality exclusives on PS3 is the sole reason why it was able to compete with (and eventually overtake) my 360 that had both superior OS, online and controller imo. Luckily 2016 looks to be great for every platform. I'm saying the same shit I've always said. Maybe you just see my views you disagree with, I dunno. I don't feel as strong about Sony's exclusive as you and they don't sell well enough to make Playstation brand as strong as it is. I think Sony just has a loyal following for reasons I can't quite understand. Especially when you consider most Playstation just want multiplats. Look at the top 20 selling PS4 games, only two exclusives in there and they had mass bundling. People say PS4 is doing amazing because its strong library of exclusives... I don't agree. In fact, I'm amazed by PS4's success with its underwhelming exclusives. However, some of its exclusives are going to help its sales greatly in a region like Japan. I have no loyalty to any platform like most people on the web. I have X1, PS4, and Wii U. But I lean to X1 simply because MS has been doing a great at pumping out games that appeal to me. 2016 does indeed look promising. Uncharted 4 and Gear 4 being my most anticipated titles.

And Sony has done a great job of pumping out games that appeal to everyone else, which is why myself and everyone I know bought one. People feel the same about MS that you feel about Sony, which makes it laughable that you consider Sony's excluisves undewhelming when MS's exclusives are nearly none existant besides Forza, Halo and ...more Forza which is all there is. Even looking at the future Sony has more which proves your comment wrong about only having third party or not taking risks. Horizon, Detroit, Tomorrow Children and Dreams are risks. While MS has nothing besides Scale Bound. It is fine to have your tastes, but don't post factless comments because you don't get why other people are buying the PS4.

RexSad said: He always try to down play Sony, because he favors Xbox, which is fine, but he is generalizing and not thinking logically. Obviously the PS4 exclusives play a huge part (not the only part as it is not for any console) and if they didn't then why is the X1 not selling better since it has the same 3rd party games? His logic is flawed for that reason and the PS4 exclusives have sold better than the Xbox exclusives which is a fact so they are selling the console. He mentions Nintendo, but all there is on the WiiU are Nintendo games and the console has sold poorly. Once again his logic is flawed. He just can not accept the fact that Sony has more people who are into their brand.that

Again, if PS4 exclusives dont sell well enough to explain PS4's great success.

MS turned people off early on with higher price and DRM BS. That gave PS4 momentum its still benefitting from today.

X1 is less successful but its exclusives sell comprable to PS4. Its 3rd party where PS4 sells exceptionally more software.

naruball said: I don't think that's what the author tried to say. It seems to me that what he tried to say is that in 2016 it's a huge risk to invest a ton of money on a single player game that also happens to be a new IP. It may end up selling 1m or close to that, but that's not enough for a game with a huge budget. If you look at the top 10 selling games, it's mostly mutiplayer games. That's what brings the most money (Ninty is the exception). Not games like The Order, Infamous, Until Dawn, Tearaway, Ratchet and Clank or Heavenly Sword, but Halo, Cod, Battlefield, Fifa, etc. If memory serves, Until Dawn didn't have a huge budget and neither did Heavy Rain. Games like Devil May Cry (even 5, if it's ever made), Bayonetta 3 etc are at a bigger risk than games with multiplayer due to the second hand market. If you look for a COD game, you'll see that it's expensive even a year after it releases, both new and used.

Wouldnt you agree that its a big risk to finance ay new IP regardless of genre ? I dont think the singleplayerness or not of the game has anything to do with the chance of sucess. Only thing ppl seen to be adamant nowadays is that they want lengthy games, other than that everything has a market.

Mr Puggsly said: RexSad said: He always try to down play Sony, because he favors Xbox, which is fine, but he is generalizing and not thinking logically. Obviously the PS4 exclusives play a huge part (not the only part as it is not for any console) and if they didn't then why is the X1 not selling better since it has the same 3rd party games? His logic is flawed for that reason and the PS4 exclusives have sold better than the Xbox exclusives which is a fact so they are selling the console. He mentions Nintendo, but all there is on the WiiU are Nintendo games and the console has sold poorly. Once again his logic is flawed. He just can not accept the fact that Sony has more people who are into their brand.that Again, if PS4 exclusives dont sell well enough to explain PS4's great success. 1: MS turned people off early on with higher price and DRM BS. That gave PS4 momentum its still benefitting from today. 2: X1 is less successful but its exclusives sell comprable to PS4. Its 3rd party where PS4 sells exceptionally more software.

1: No point in arguing that anymore. Of course screw ups benefit the competition.

2: Huh... Halo 5 released on a larger install base and sold far less than Halo 3 did on a smaller install base. Furthermore, 3 of the 5 biggest PS exclusive franchises release this year so what's your point other than saying "my console's exclusives sell better than yours... until May 10th"?

1. Gran Turismo

2. Uncharted

3. The Last of Us

4. God of War

5. Ratchet & Clank

 

All SCE published PS4 exclusives over 0.5 mill sales (13 games) have a cumulative sale of 25.62 mill.
That's (25.62/13 =) 1.97 mill in avg.

The same amount of Microsoft published XB1 exclusives (13 games) have a cumulative sale of 16.68 mill.
That's (16.68/13 =) 1.28 mill in avg.

 

1.	The Last of Us	2014	Action	Sony Computer Entertainment	1.69	1.72	0.07	0.77	4.26
2.	Uncharted: The Nathan Drake Collection	2015	Action	Sony Computer Entertainment	1.70	1.42	0.06	0.63	3.81
3.	inFAMOUS: Second Son	2014	Action	Sony Computer Entertainment	1.23	0.91	0.07	0.45	2.67
4.	Killzone: Shadow Fall	2013	Shooter	Sony Computer Entertainment	0.88	1.26	0.07	0.27	2.49
5.	Bloodborne	2015	Action	Sony Computer Entertainment	0.90	0.63	0.25	0.31	2.10
6.	DriveClub	2014	Racing	Sony Computer Entertainment	0.34	1.25	0.01	0.31	1.92
7.	LittleBigPlanet 3	2014	Platform	Sony Computer Entertainment	0.56	0.86	0.01	0.26	1.69
8.	The Order: 1886	2015	Shooter	Sony Computer Entertainment	0.59	0.72	0.06	0.26	1.62
9.	Knack	2013	Platform	Sony Computer Entertainment	0.42	0.61	0.42	0.14	1.59
10.	Until Dawn	2015	Adventure	Sony Computer Entertainment	0.39	0.80	0.04	0.22	1.45
11.	MLB 15: The Show	2015	Sports	Sony Computer Entertainment	0.64	0.06	0.00	0.16	0.86
12.	MLB 14: The Show	2014	Sports	Sony Computer Entertainment	0.57	0.00	0.00	0.06	0.63
13.	God of War III	2015	Action	Sony Computer Entertainment	0.20	0.24	0.01	0.09	0.53

 

1.	Halo 5: Guardians	2015	Shooter	Microsoft Game Studios	2.29	1.02	0.02	0.34	3.67
2.	Halo: The Master Chief Collection	2014	Shooter	Microsoft Game Studios	1.81	0.95	0.03	0.23	3.01
3.	Forza Motorsport 5	2013	Racing	Microsoft Game Studios	1.19	0.77	0.01	0.17	2.14
4.	Gears of War: Ultimate Edition	2015	Shooter	Microsoft Game Studios	1.66	0.27	0.00	0.22	2.14
5.	Forza Motorsport 6	2015	Racing	Microsoft Game Studios	0.54	0.69	0.02	0.11	1.36
6.	Forza Horizon 2	2014	Racing	Microsoft Game Studios	0.47	0.73	0.01	0.09	1.29
7.	Sunset Overdrive	2014	Shooter	Microsoft Game Studios	0.59	0.37	0.00	0.08	1.04
8.	Rare Replay	2015	Misc	Microsoft Game Studios	0.43	0.18	0.01	0.06	0.68
9.	Kinect Sports Rivals	2014	Sports	Microsoft Game Studios	0.29	0.18	0.02	0.04	0.53
10.	Zoo Tycoon (2013)	2013	Simulation	Microsoft Game Studios	0.17	0.09	0.00	0.03	0.29
11.	Dance Central: Spotlight	2014	Misc	Microsoft Game Studios	0.15	0.03	0.00	0.00	0.19
12.	State of Decay	2015	Strategy	Microsoft Game Studios	0.12	0.04	0.00	0.02	0.18
13.	Project Spark	2014	Misc	Microsoft Game Studios	0.10	0.04	0.00	0.01	0.16

DakonBlackblade said: naruball said: I don't think that's what the author tried to say. It seems to me that what he tried to say is that in 2016 it's a huge risk to invest a ton of money on a single player game that also happens to be a new IP. It may end up selling 1m or close to that, but that's not enough for a game with a huge budget. If you look at the top 10 selling games, it's mostly mutiplayer games. That's what brings the most money (Ninty is the exception). Not games like The Order, Infamous, Until Dawn, Tearaway, Ratchet and Clank or Heavenly Sword, but Halo, Cod, Battlefield, Fifa, etc. If memory serves, Until Dawn didn't have a huge budget and neither did Heavy Rain. Games like Devil May Cry (even 5, if it's ever made), Bayonetta 3 etc are at a bigger risk than games with multiplayer due to the second hand market. If you look for a COD game, you'll see that it's expensive even a year after it releases, both new and used. Wouldnt you agree that its a big risk to finance ay new IP regardless of genre ? I dont think the singleplayerness or not of the game has anything to do with the chance of sucess. Only thing ppl seen to be adamant nowadays is that they want lengthy games, other than that everything has a market.

It is risky, but I think it's less likely that a single player game will make a lot of money. Even Until Dawn that received a lot of buzz didn't manage to sell all that much. Games with a huge budget simply can't be single player only (exceptions are well established franchises like GTA, Zelda, etc). The developers know it already and that's why the inlcude multiplayer even when it doens't make much sense.