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SvennoJ said:

Haha, that's turning things upside down. The Witcher 3 went to consoles to make The Wither 3 possible. It was a PC exclusive from the start, yet budget couldn't be big enough with only pc sales. They already had plans with the Witcher 2 for console as the UI was very controller centric from the start, was annoying.

Porting is easy, making a game for tv + controller is not the same as for kb / mouse + monitor however. We get some akward middleground nowadays, tiny hard to read text on tv, uncomfortable to navigate menus on pc. (It's gonna be fun with UWP when games need to find a middleground with tablets and phones as well!)

The point was though, that extra money is *not* a bad thing.
Going console is not a bad decision either if it means more development can be spent giving us better games, it does work both ways.




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Chazore said:
Azuren said:
I dunno, it might be too late to be saying things like this. E3 will give us a better understanding of what they plan on doing, though. I would prefer PlayStation keep its rival.

Why would you want them as a rival?, I mean so far having them as a rival since they joined has had them beat 3 times, that hardly seems as good healthy competition for both parties. Looking back on history it looks like it's yielded far better results for Sony than MS, I don't really see the desire to keep someone by your side in roder to make you lok leagues better as healthy or good, it's like you want to use someone for your own ends.

Because of XB360, Sony was forced to more competitively price their console and learned that they can't charge whatever they want for home consoles. XB360 also introduced cross-game chat, which Sony now implements. Xbox's online infrastructure also directly inspired the PSN so that the PlayStation brand could compete in the online field. Without Xbox, we'd either be stuck paying out the nose for next-gen consoles, playing on PC, or playing Nintendo.



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Azuren said:

Because of XB360, Sony was forced to more competitively price their console and learned that they can't charge whatever they want for home consoles. XB360 also introduced cross-game chat, which Sony now implements. Xbox's online infrastructure also directly inspired the PSN so that the PlayStation brand could compete in the online field. Without Xbox, we'd either be stuck paying out the nose for next-gen consoles, playing on PC, or playing Nintendo.

But you're still mostly with Sony though right?, like with the P1-4?. Without MS Sony wouldn't be where it's at, at the top but even then MS is currently in the middle of nowheresville after 3 gens of "giving" ideas to other competitors. I still see Xbox as being a brand used by others rather than a brand that actually stood up on it's own and won 3 times in a row while giving it;s own ideas and taking  some as well, any ideas that MS took this gen were directly needed to avoid complete annihilation.



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TheDeleter said:
Its clear MS want to aim for the bigger fish in gaming and that's Steam and with the need of Win10 to play there games no one is losing. Its a smart idea to keep some games exclusive like Halo and the exclusives that don't sell well cross to PC to help sell. MS make amazing games, regardless if you own a X1 or Win10 PC, your missing out if your not part of it.

People keep saying this, but what amazing games have they made? All of their best games besides Forza were not made by them and they just bought them and not even those games are anything special outside of Halo formerly selling really well. So no one is missing out on anything as their games offer a generic experience that you can get on PS4 or bette ron Nintendo. They have not made a single game on the level of GOW, Ico, Shadow of the Colossus, TLoU, Metroid, Zelda or some of the games that Sega has made when they were making consoles IMO. 



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Azuren said:
Chazore said:

Why would you want them as a rival?, I mean so far having them as a rival since they joined has had them beat 3 times, that hardly seems as good healthy competition for both parties. Looking back on history it looks like it's yielded far better results for Sony than MS, I don't really see the desire to keep someone by your side in roder to make you lok leagues better as healthy or good, it's like you want to use someone for your own ends.

Because of XB360, Sony was forced to more competitively price their console and learned that they can't charge whatever they want for home consoles. XB360 also introduced cross-game chat, which Sony now implements. Xbox's online infrastructure also directly inspired the PSN so that the PlayStation brand could compete in the online field. Without Xbox, we'd either be stuck paying out the nose for next-gen consoles, playing on PC, or playing Nintendo.

Sony would have priced their console cheaper period as the PS4 cost for development was much cheaper than that of the PS3. THe PS3 also outsold the 360 so it did not effect the PS3 sale sin the long run. No one really cares for cross-game chat and that feature was something that was coming regardless. Sony had been improving PSN since last generation and are now better than MS because fans asked for certain features. None of that had anything to do with MS at all. When were we ever stuck paying out the nose for next gen consoles lol? Nothing you said is relevant to why the PS4 is beasting right now.



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Chazore said:
Azuren said:

Because of XB360, Sony was forced to more competitively price their console and learned that they can't charge whatever they want for home consoles. XB360 also introduced cross-game chat, which Sony now implements. Xbox's online infrastructure also directly inspired the PSN so that the PlayStation brand could compete in the online field. Without Xbox, we'd either be stuck paying out the nose for next-gen consoles, playing on PC, or playing Nintendo.

But you're still mostly with Sony though right?, like with the P1-4?. Without MS Sony wouldn't be where it's at, at the top but even then MS is currently in the middle of nowheresville after 3 gens of "giving" ideas to other competitors. I still see Xbox as being a brand used by others rather than a brand that actually stood up on it's own and won 3 times in a row while giving it;s own ideas and taking  some as well, any ideas that MS took this gen were directly needed to avoid complete annihilation.

I do currently own an OG Xbox, and I've owned five XB360's. Competition breeds innovation, and what I was stating earlier was simply evidence to support that. Without real competition, Sony would stagnate.

 

RexSad said:
Azuren said:

Because of XB360, Sony was forced to more competitively price their console and learned that they can't charge whatever they want for home consoles. XB360 also introduced cross-game chat, which Sony now implements. Xbox's online infrastructure also directly inspired the PSN so that the PlayStation brand could compete in the online field. Without Xbox, we'd either be stuck paying out the nose for next-gen consoles, playing on PC, or playing Nintendo.

Sony would have priced their console cheaper period as the PS4 cost for development was much cheaper than that of the PS3. THe PS3 also outsold the 360 so it did not effect the PS3 sale sin the long run. No one really cares for cross-game chat and that feature was something that was coming regardless. Sony had been improving PSN since last generation and are now better than MS because fans asked for certain features. None of that had anything to do with MS at all. When were we ever stuck paying out the nose for next gen consoles lol? Nothing you said is relevant to why the PS4 is beasting right now.

Sony might not have gone for a lower development cost if they hadn't learned their lesson from MS. And I'm aware that PS3 beat XB360, it was also really close, though. They learn from each other, and as a result make each other better.



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Regardless of how many exclusives do or don't come to PC, the only thing I really want at this point is some clarity on when one can safely assume a particular title's platforms are set in stone. o.o The Xbox One would be picked up as my exclusives machine, meaning exclusives are literally the only reason to buy it.

To top it off, I have access to a full-on gaming computer. I don't OWN a beefy rig myself, (mine can basically run Sins of a Solar Empire decently, which is good enough because I loooooove Sins of a Solar Empire,) but I shamelessly mooch off my roommate's rig when there's a game I can't get on PS4 that I want to try out, often for 'free' as he'll already have bought it for himself. This means that I got my hands on stuff that initially would have drawn me to the Xbox One like Dead Rising 3 and Project Spark, play it for a moderate amount of time, basically get my jollies.

So when it comes to the self-maintained 'list' of titles I use as reasons to eventually pick up an Xbox One, at the moment it's frontlined by Scalebound, Sunset Overdrive, and Crackdown. But at the moment. they all have big question marks beside them because I have no clue if I'm actually going to need an Xbox One to play them. (To be fair, Sunset Overdrive is probably long past the point of seeing a PC port, though.) The same is going to apply for literally every other game that is initially announced for the Xbox One alone.

Just be nice to at least know a solid, 100% guaranteed set of rules they're following, something like 'Once our Xbox One title reaches launch day, you can safely say there's no PC release on the horizon. Purchase our hardware secure in the fact that you need to in order to have the shinies!'



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Azuren said:

I do currently own an OG Xbox, and I've owned five XB360's. Competition breeds innovation, and what I was stating earlier was simply evidence to support that. Without real competition, Sony would stagnate.

 

RexSad said:

Sony would have priced their console cheaper period as the PS4 cost for development was much cheaper than that of the PS3. THe PS3 also outsold the 360 so it did not effect the PS3 sale sin the long run. No one really cares for cross-game chat and that feature was something that was coming regardless. Sony had been improving PSN since last generation and are now better than MS because fans asked for certain features. None of that had anything to do with MS at all. When were we ever stuck paying out the nose for next gen consoles lol? Nothing you said is relevant to why the PS4 is beasting right now.

Sony might not have gone for a lower development cost if they hadn't learned their lesson from MS. And I'm aware that PS3 beat XB360, it was also really close, though. They learn from each other, and as a result make each other better.

You still sound like you've always had it for Sony than MS though, like you want them around to make your fave brand better instead of going for the other rband even despite you owning past systems (which aren't current systems at that).



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