Ganoncrotch said:
ah I see regardless of two exact hybrid systems you're going with the "cover eyes with hands and say nope cant see it" approach. I find such an attitude to be a waste of energy so I wont be wasting my time reading or replying to any more posts of yours here, easier that way. |
If you find it easier that way, do it. Just know you're wrong.
Ganoncrotch said:
ah I see regardless of two exact hybrid systems you're going with the "cover eyes with hands and say nope cant see it" approach. I find such an attitude to be a waste of energy so I wont be wasting my time reading or replying to any more posts of yours here, easier that way. |
But really none of them are true hybrid consoles. PS4 & Vita are 2 distinct consoles with 2 distinct libraries. While there are some crossplay features, it's not their main feature by a long shot. The Neo Geo X on the other Hand is just a Handheld with a docking Station. This allows you to play on your TV screen, but it's still a handheld console at it's core as the docking station does no calculations. If these would be hybrid consoles, then the Wii U already would be one, too. After all, you don't need a TV at all to play most of the games due to the screen on the gamepad, and you don't need to be in the same room than the console proper, too.
A true hybrid would imply that there are 2 distinct hardware pieces (one console and one handheld part), each able to do calculations and supporting each other doing so when connected. They would need to have an absolutely identical games lineup which works on both parts of the hybrid console independently, and when connected they would unite their calculating power to reach the highest levels of graphic fidelity they couldn't achieve on their own.
The problems with this are several:
1. Both would need an identical hardware basis, aka an identical instruction set. Meaning you can't use x86 on the console part and ARM on the handheld part
2. Bandwith would be very limiting to the contribution of the additional hardware, unless connected by some mean of very high bandwith - which would mean a docking station by today's technology or calculations which stay mostly independent of each other, like a second screen with additional infos.
3. Many seem to think about streaming the game would solve the issues. While this can (and mostly should) work at home where you have WiFi, streaming outside of that aera is a huge problem. While LTE can put up with the data stream, you'll be hitting the data caps on LTE contracts within a day or two. And these caps are not going to be taken away anytime soon as the antennas can only handle so much. To make this work basically every building would need to have an LTE antenna on it's roof or be submerged by the sheer mass of data transferring through the network. Oh, and for those who say only streaming while at home: Well, then you have a Wii U all over again, since as explained above, that's one of the main features of the gamepad
4. Price. Having 2 hardware pieces for one console will drive the price up high, even if sold seperatly as this would need additional chips on both parts and a higher integration of all the hardware, which is potentially very expensive.
I also don't undestand how so many would want to see NX be a hybrid console yet despise the Wii U gamepad. Because guess what the handheld part would be in such a concept? That's right, a modified Gamepad. And I'm pretty sure if Nintendo really would somehow come up with such a hybrid console, due to the second point when combining both parts each one would only make the calculations necessary for what is shown on their respective screen. All in all, a hybrid console would only be an incremental update of the Wii U technolgy wise, as a big leap would become way too costly for a console
Thunderbird77 said:
Wireless connection to a tv? that's not something every tv can do = automatically a big no. Like you wrote, that's not a hybrid. And nothing you or anyone write will be a hybrid, because the concept isn't possible. |
Dongle that can be attached to TV can enable wireless connection, similar to Google Chromecast or tens of similar devices, basically it can be attached to any LCD TV.
Main point of handheld is that you can take it anywhere, main point of home console is playing on TV, so device like that could be used like handheld and like home console, it's practically hybrid of handheld and home console.
Saying that concept like that is impossible in 2016. is pure denial and don't make any sense.
Damn it! This is not how I wanted the PS4 to outsell the Wii U.
Bofferbrauer said:
But really none of them are true hybrid consoles. PS4 & Vita are 2 distinct consoles with 2 distinct libraries. While there are some crossplay features, it's not their main feature by a long shot. The Neo Geo X on the other Hand is just a Handheld with a docking Station. This allows you to play on your TV screen, but it's still a handheld console at it's core as the docking station does no calculations. If these would be hybrid consoles, then the Wii U already would be one, too. After all, you don't need a TV at all to play most of the games due to the screen on the gamepad, and you don't need to be in the same room than the console proper, too. A true hybrid would imply that there are 2 distinct hardware pieces (one console and one handheld part), each able to do calculations and supporting each other doing so when connected. They would need to have an absolutely identical games lineup which works on both parts of the hybrid console independently, and when connected they would unite their calculating power to reach the highest levels of graphic fidelity they couldn't achieve on their own. The problems with this are several: 1. Both would need an identical hardware basis, aka an identical instruction set. Meaning you can't use x86 on the console part and ARM on the handheld part 2. Bandwith would be very limiting to the contribution of the additional hardware, unless connected by some mean of very high bandwith - which would mean a docking station by today's technology or calculations which stay mostly independent of each other, like a second screen with additional infos. 3. Many seem to think about streaming the game would solve the issues. While this can (and mostly should) work at home where you have WiFi, streaming outside of that aera is a huge problem. While LTE can put up with the data stream, you'll be hitting the data caps on LTE contracts within a day or two. And these caps are not going to be taken away anytime soon as the antennas can only handle so much. To make this work basically every building would need to have an LTE antenna on it's roof or be submerged by the sheer mass of data transferring through the network. Oh, and for those who say only streaming while at home: Well, then you have a Wii U all over again, since as explained above, that's one of the main features of the gamepad 4. Price. Having 2 hardware pieces for one console will drive the price up high, even if sold seperatly as this would need additional chips on both parts and a higher integration of all the hardware, which is potentially very expensive. I also don't undestand how so many would want to see NX be a hybrid console yet despise the Wii U gamepad. Because guess what the handheld part would be in such a concept? That's right, a modified Gamepad. And I'm pretty sure if Nintendo really would somehow come up with such a hybrid console, due to the second point when combining both parts each one would only make the calculations necessary for what is shown on their respective screen. All in all, a hybrid console would only be an incremental update of the Wii U technolgy wise, as a big leap would become way too costly for a console |
When people talking about Hybrid Nintendo device they usually think about one hardware not separate handheld and home console hardware, and you talking about unified platform with handheld and home console.
Think about like some tablet device (maybe something similar like Wii U gamepad), that you can take everywhere with you but also you can wireless connect via dongle on TV and enjoy gaming on big screen. Something similar like that rumour we had.
Double post.
| Wildcard36qs said: Telling you. NX is going to release very soon. E3 announcement with immediate availability. They need to make a huge splash to turn this tide. |
Nintendo can easily launch NX in holiday season, but avilibility in only 3 monts is definatly too soon, we still dont know what NX is exatly.
Very clearly hybrid can mean a whole lot of things, a hybrid car is a single car with 2 engines in it both electric and petrol driven, Please don't be of the mindset that a hybrid has to mean X which you have in your mind and only X.
The Neo Geo X "Dock" is more than just a TV out cable for the console, it also allows you to use 2 USB arcade stick replicas of the original Neo Geo AES machine letting you play arcade games which support multiplayer on the big screen from the one "Handheld" while docked, so yeah that isn't a feature which you can do with the system while it's functioning as a handheld.
Another Hybrid-esque console right now would be the PSP-Go a Handheld platform but can also be wired to a TV and used with a Dualshock 3 controller, Sure it is the same console on both TV and as a Handheld... but the fact remains that it is a handheld which can be used as a home console sitting back with a controller and big screen.
There are certainly other ideas you could have in your head about what a hybrid console/handheld is, but just because there is an image in your head which isn't a handheld which can be docked and use a proper controller that doesn't mean that those systems aren't hybrid console/handhelds.
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Miyamotoo said:
When people talking about Hybrid Nintendo device they usually think about one hardware not separate handheld and home console hardware, and you talking about unified platform with handheld and home console. Think about like some tablet device (maybe something similar like Wii U gamepad), that you can take everywhere with you but also you can wireless connect via dongle on TV and enjoy gaming on big screen. Something similar like that rumour we had. |
You can do that with Chromecast and an android phone right now for games like ... Angry Birds and stuff, well a ton of other games too but mostly the Android store games, but that exact thing, have your phone for games and Chromecast in your tv, when you are in range of the TV the Android device gets a little Screen icon in the top to show you can cast the content to the TV, costs about €30 too, nifty little things.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromecast
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Bofferbrauer said:
But really none of them are true hybrid consoles. PS4 & Vita are 2 distinct consoles with 2 distinct libraries. While there are some crossplay features, it's not their main feature by a long shot. The Neo Geo X on the other Hand is just a Handheld with a docking Station. This allows you to play on your TV screen, but it's still a handheld console at it's core as the docking station does no calculations. If these would be hybrid consoles, then the Wii U already would be one, too. After all, you don't need a TV at all to play most of the games due to the screen on the gamepad, and you don't need to be in the same room than the console proper, too. A true hybrid would imply that there are 2 distinct hardware pieces (one console and one handheld part), each able to do calculations and supporting each other doing so when connected. They would need to have an absolutely identical games lineup which works on both parts of the hybrid console independently, and when connected they would unite their calculating power to reach the highest levels of graphic fidelity they couldn't achieve on their own. The problems with this are several: 1. Both would need an identical hardware basis, aka an identical instruction set. Meaning you can't use x86 on the console part and ARM on the handheld part 2. Bandwith would be very limiting to the contribution of the additional hardware, unless connected by some mean of very high bandwith - which would mean a docking station by today's technology or calculations which stay mostly independent of each other, like a second screen with additional infos. 3. Many seem to think about streaming the game would solve the issues. While this can (and mostly should) work at home where you have WiFi, streaming outside of that aera is a huge problem. While LTE can put up with the data stream, you'll be hitting the data caps on LTE contracts within a day or two. And these caps are not going to be taken away anytime soon as the antennas can only handle so much. To make this work basically every building would need to have an LTE antenna on it's roof or be submerged by the sheer mass of data transferring through the network. Oh, and for those who say only streaming while at home: Well, then you have a Wii U all over again, since as explained above, that's one of the main features of the gamepad 4. Price. Having 2 hardware pieces for one console will drive the price up high, even if sold seperatly as this would need additional chips on both parts and a higher integration of all the hardware, which is potentially very expensive. I also don't undestand how so many would want to see NX be a hybrid console yet despise the Wii U gamepad. Because guess what the handheld part would be in such a concept? That's right, a modified Gamepad. And I'm pretty sure if Nintendo really would somehow come up with such a hybrid console, due to the second point when combining both parts each one would only make the calculations necessary for what is shown on their respective screen. All in all, a hybrid console would only be an incremental update of the Wii U technolgy wise, as a big leap would become way too costly for a console |
Finally well thought points. And two separete hardware would remain as two, not one hybrid. that's what people fail to see.
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