Will a wall truly help the US?

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Wagram on 05 March 2016

I still think it's hilarious that he's convinced people that Mexico would pay for it. Not only this, but that it would be effective at doing anything.

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Jimbo1337 on 05 March 2016

Normchacho said:

Jimbo1337 said:

So now we are debating whether the primary function of a wall will actually work.

Next up: Can a can opener open a can?!?

People consistently blame Donald Drumpf for not mentioning specifics. What are Hillary Clinton's and Bernie Sanders' specific plans to fix the illegal immigration issue?

Did you maybe want to actually look for Sanders and Clintons immigration plans?

https://berniesanders.com/issues/a-fair-and-humane-immigration-policy/

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/immigration-reform/

A further confirmation as to why both of those candidates have a brain the size of a plant.

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Zappykins on 05 March 2016

fatslob-:O said:

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Because it would do nothing. People will just come a different way. It will offend all resonable people of the world, bring back ties to WWII Germany, and damage the reputation of the USA around the globe, and with a Large Trading Partner, Mexico.

People crossing the border isn't the problem. It's the companies that hire people illegally and get away with it that is the problem. IMO those companies should be charges as violating the employees civil rights (Civil Rights in the USA cover all humans- regardless of where they are born or citizenship.) And the business managers face crimial charges.

Thousand of business get away with it. That is the reason people come. The people aren't the problem, it's the business that exploit them and try to get around US law.

Funny, how some of Trump's own business have been caught, but he hasn't gotten into trouble because of corprate loopholes.

Who cares if they come in a different way, just deterring most would be enough. Infiltrating most countries and getting a good lifestyle there would be too much work for me so I just mostly stay. Barbed wires should do the trick for most Mexicans out there and your third sentence is a hyperbole ...

Companies aren't even the root of the issue, they just want low labour costs. Scapegoating businesses here is just asking to derail this thread ...

The reasons why illegal immigrants come here is to siphon the taxes to get a better life ...

Good grief seriously? I don't think you understand why there are illegal immigrants. They come for the jobs and business get away with hiring them illegally. The companies are the problem, and they are getting away with exploiting people, bypassing taxes, and blaming other for it. And sounds like you bought it, hook, line and sinker.

The wall Trump is taking about is against what the USA stands for – plus it would do nothing. It wouldn’t do anything about illegal immigration – as it wouldn’t effect at all the way most people get to the USA.

It just makes the USA look like a paranoid backwards country.

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fatslob-:O on 05 March 2016

Zappykins said:

Good grief seriously? I don't think you understand why there are illegal immigrants. They come for the jobs and business get away with hiring them illegally. The companies are the problem, and they are getting away with exploiting people, bypassing taxes, and blaming other for it. And sounds like you bought it, hook, line and sinker.

The wall Trump is taking about is against what the USA stands for – plus it would do nothing. It wouldn’t do anything about illegal immigration – as it wouldn’t effect at all the way most people get to the USA.

It just makes the USA look like a paranoid backwards country.

Again with the scapegoating towards corporations ...

If you don't like the fact that their been exploited then deporting them is very much a valid solution ...

The wall that Donald Trump proposes does not go against the constitution so I'm not exactly sure how it goes against what the US stands for ...

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fatslob-:O said:

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Donald Trump is succeeding because ignorant people believe his lies/bullshit. That 200,000 number might scare the shit out of republicans but it was 1.6million in 2000 and illegal immigration is currently at net zero. Illegal immigrants are also way more important for the US economy than you might think. The wall wouldn´t pay for itself, it would cost the taxpayers every year as long as it stands.

http://www.pewresearch.org/files/2014/12/FT_14.12.26_BorderApprehensions.png

https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/110th-congress-2007-2008/reports/12-6-immigration.pdf

http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/11/19/more-mexicans-leaving-than-coming-to-the-u-s/

Well aren't we quick to jump on the hate bandwagon ...

Even if there is hardly any illegal migration anymore what are you going to do about the $50 billion dollar deficit from the still residing illegals from Mexico itself ?

Make them legal citizens, i guess you´re for deportation? I also didn´t jump on any hate bandwagon i just introduced some facts to the discussion and the ignorance of some towards them is simply infuriating. Also there are the scary big numbers again without any context or source

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fatslob-:O on 06 March 2016

mofili said:

Make them legal citizens, i guess you´re for deportation? I also didn´t jump on any hate bandwagon i just introduced some facts to the discussion and the ignorance of some towards them is simply infuriating. Also there are the scary big numbers again without any context or source

It would most likely be cheaper to deport them ...

It's funny how the government opts in to make legitimate citizens suffer while the intruders are benefitting from tax payers money ...

#WelfareForCitizensOnly

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Azuren said:

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In certain parts of Mexico that's true, but not nationally. Plus, do you honestly think that the Mexican people want to lose their country to the U.S.?

People have been trying the whole "Don't worry, we'll take over, since we know what's best for you" thing all throughout history, and it just doesn't work.

If you think all of Mexico isn't under their thumb, then you're being naive.

And with most countries, yeah, I see that being a problem. With with how much they want to move to America anyway...

I don't think you realize you are trying to make an Israel/palestine situation in your southern border.

Turning good relationships with a big country like mexico into shit doesn't seem like a good idea. Also, you don't even seem to understand what mexico is in a global position if you seriously think every Mexican, or even most of them, wish to migrate to usa

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