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Mr Puggsly on 01 March 2016
CosmicSex said:
So Xbox One would become the low end model? So the people who bought an Xbox One would be expected to upgrade already? In 2 years? What situation would not look like immediate plan for obsolescence?

Guys, there is no way that they would throw early adopters under the bus like that.

We've already passed two years. This holiday would be three years. Next holiday would be four years.

Nobody is being thrown under the bus as long the original models are compabitable with all games.

Think of this way. The new machine could simply do higher resolutions, smoother frame rates, etc. Even Sony fans would be impressed if it gave significantly better visuals/performance than PS4.



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Frogger on 01 March 2016

I mean, look at PC.
Or early PS3.
Or early Wii U.

Power don't matter. Dat $$$ doe.



UltimateGamer1982 on 01 March 2016

Not having an Xbox console around anymore would be kinda cool and be like the old days when it was just two competitors like sega and Nintendo. Not to mention cut down on the amount of consoles we would have to buy.



SvennoJ on 01 March 2016
Pemalite said:
SvennoJ said:

How will 3rd party devs handle it. Currently 3rd party devs optimize their games for each console and provide a more generic (ie more power hungry) version (often later) that runs on all kinds of pc hardware. Will they make a special optimized build for each xbox one configuration, or will it be like pc with extra overhead for all the different hardware.

3rd party devs don't really "optimize" for particular hardware anymore. They build one version and scale it up/down from there, hence why most games look identical between the PS4 and Xbox One -sans framerate/resolution. - PC will sometimes get better shaders, shadowing, textures.
The optimisations are mostly done at the engine level, targeting specific API's, rather than being built to the metal like the consoles of old.

The overheads that PC typically exhibits was mostly because games were not built to the metal, they targeted various high-level API's, games hadn't been made to the metal since the days of DOS.
With Direct X 12 and Vulkan, that console advantage has been essentially eroded away. (Plus we have never-ending driver improvements to thank as well.) as all Platforms are using low-level API's with 3rd party engines optimised for each. (Unreal, Frostbite, Unity, CryEngine, Source and many more.)
Consoles have just become more PC like, drivers, API's and in some cases OS's, Hardware are all PC derived, that's not a bad thing... It allows for a myriad of advantages.

Not coded to the metal anymore indeed, yet there are still certain nips and tucks to ensure a more stable frame rate on console versions. DF still recognizes the difference between PC and console version and can only give a best guess as to which global settings the console versions run at.
The advantage of console is that you're ensured some kind of base level performance (although it can still dip badly) while I'm encountering anything between 8fps and 55fps while playing Elite Dangerous on my laptop. The difference is on PC I have to go into settings myself during the game, for console that is done for me and usually in more sophisticated ways than the crude sliders the user has access to.
The overhead may be smaller with Vulkan and DX12, yet the variable nature of required workload is not.



SvennoJ on 01 March 2016
Mr Puggsly said:
CosmicSex said:
So Xbox One would become the low end model? So the people who bought an Xbox One would be expected to upgrade already? In 2 years? What situation would not look like immediate plan for obsolescence?

Guys, there is no way that they would throw early adopters under the bus like that.

We've already passed two years. This holiday would be three years. Next holiday would be four years.

Nobody is being thrown under the bus as long the original models are compabitable with all games.

Think of this way. The new machine could simply do higher resolutions, smoother frame rates, etc. Even Sony fans would be impressed if it gave significantly better visuals/performance than PS4.

So basically buying one now would be stupid, and it becomes the same as the pc waiting game. Should I wait for the next gpu cycle or upgrade now and take my chances. One of the nice things of console gaming is knowing you don't have to worry about whether it's time to upgrade again or grudgingly go into settings and choose medium or low settings.

Plus the jump from last to current gen was already pretty small for some people. Buying an upgrade every 2 to 3 years is never going to give that new console wow factor ever again. The hype, the speculations, the new possibilities, the leaks, the midnight launch, all that stuff that NVidia's next GPU launch does not deliver. It's going to be like the next Steam box reveal, meh. The future is going to be boring.



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Mr Puggsly on 02 March 2016
UltimateGamer1982 said:
Not having an Xbox console around anymore would be kinda cool and be like the old days when it was just two competitors like sega and Nintendo. Not to mention cut down on the amount of consoles we would have to buy.

I hear ya, but I'd prefer Nintendo get out of the home console arena.

Nintendo is great at software but they encourage the competition to be better. Xbox and Playstation are going at it and making this gen interesting. Meanwhile Nintendo is making their usual games and pusing plastic toys. I have a Wii U but its just a box I go to for the latest Mario games and some other random things.

Nintendo would probably benefit from going 3rd party in a great way. Sega has done great as a multiplat developer when they aren't making shit.



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chapset on 02 March 2016

Still waiting for the cloud to do that....>_



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Mr Puggsly on 02 March 2016
Hiku said:
Mr Puggsly said:
Well I would hope its more like an iPhone or New 3DS approach.

Superior specs that new games benefit from, but all games should still work fine with X1 specs. That way nobody can complain about their older machine not getting proper support.

Xenoblade for New 3DS does not work on a regular 3DS. I'm sure they could make it work, but it would run below the quality standards for the system. And Majora's Mask, Perfect Dark and Donkey Kong 64 only worked on an N64 with an Expansion Pack. Console upgrades like that and Sega 32x, etc, have never worked out in the past, as it's not always a simple case of making games run on lower settings on the weaker hardware. If the dispatity between the original XB1 and the latest version is too great, and it for example gets a game originally designed for high end PC, poorly coded like recent Assassins Creed games to up the minimum requierments even further, and it runs like garbage on the original Xbox One, that's not going to be recieved well by players or reviewers. So I'm not sure how they're going to go about this, if they even do at all this generation. Developers wouldn't want to be forced to optimize games for multiple systems.
I can see a new Xbox One coming out that's like a PS4 so it can play games on the same resolution and framerate, but I don't know if we'll see anything much more extreme than that this generation. As technology advances I'm not even sure we'll want this architecture 5+ years from now.

That's the only New 3DS exclusive as far as I'm aware. Some games simply use New 3DS for better performance because it has more RAM and the processor is the same architecture.

The expansion pack on N64 was fine because it was a cheap upgrade. Surprisingly, a lot of games actually used the exapansion pack for various improvments. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_64_accessories

The 32X was something different. It was an expensive add on and it was a different architecture than Genesis hardware. It was virtually a new console sitting on a Genesis. It would have been more successful if they simply released a new Genesis that had the 32X specs inside of it.

AC:Syndicate is actually well optimized. A great looking games on 8th gen consoles, Unity was a mess.

As long as an upgraded X1 is using the same architecture, games should be able to easily use the superior specs.

Xbox will likely be using the same architecture in the 9th gen. Its the same architecture Windows and PC games are using.



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Mr Puggsly on 02 March 2016
SvennoJ said:
Mr Puggsly said:

We've already passed two years. This holiday would be three years. Next holiday would be four years.

Nobody is being thrown under the bus as long the original models are compabitable with all games.

Think of this way. The new machine could simply do higher resolutions, smoother frame rates, etc. Even Sony fans would be impressed if it gave significantly better visuals/performance than PS4.

So basically buying one now would be stupid, and it becomes the same as the pc waiting game. Should I wait for the next gpu cycle or upgrade now and take my chances. One of the nice things of console gaming is knowing you don't have to worry about whether it's time to upgrade again or grudgingly go into settings and choose medium or low settings.

Plus the jump from last to current gen was already pretty small for some people. Buying an upgrade every 2 to 3 years is never going to give that new console wow factor ever again. The hype, the speculations, the new possibilities, the leaks, the midnight launch, all that stuff that NVidia's next GPU launch does not deliver. It's going to be like the next Steam box reveal, meh. The future is going to be boring.

Yes. But that's why it would be important all games support the OG X1 hardware.

If they're gonna do it, maybe its best they do it holiday of 2017. When people are getting a little bored of 8th gen capabilities. That would be 4 years.



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Protendo on 02 March 2016

His answer was more of a "we don't know what were doing" but this is a possibility.

PS4 could do the same. It's amazing how the Xbox fanbase was criticizing PS4's vice president for saying they could release a more powerful PS4, but it's a brilliant idea for the Xbox One.

I will never understand this. I was for it for the PS4, and I'm for this for the Xbox One. Just make sure these upgrades have 4K bluray support, upgraded HDMI, and upgraded hard drive interfaces for solid state upgrades.

PS4 vs PS4K is a brilliant naming scheme, almost to conventient.



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