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HoloDust said:
Yeah, as much as I like to play indie/small dev games and enjoyed Ori, some of these guys should really curb their self-importance.

I'm pretty sure all AAA devs have dev kits - if this was some AA dev/publisher talking (like we had with Metro 2033 dev on WiiU launch saying its CPU is horrible) I would understand the fuss, but this tantrum seems more of a "how come you're not recognizing my greatness?" type of thing.

More or elss how I see it along with them sounding like they already made their midns up, so if Nintendo did show them specs they would go "oh that's all you have?" and then shrug them off. FOr Nintendo, showing specs this early is likelt to get less support than more support. If it turns out to be another machine with weak specs then of course more devs are just going to drop the ball, another catch 22 for Nintendo at this point, damned if they do and damned if they don't.



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Why would Ninty keep NX hardware and specs hidden until now????
Are them afraid MS and Sony would copy? But ps4 and one are far way for getting sucessors. When they think about ps5 and xbox two, NX would be released long time ago.

So, is not from MS and Sony that nintendo is hidering NX. Maybe from other hardware companies?
That would indicates that is nintendo entering other kind of business? Samsumg? apple?
IDK.



this seems like an extreme over reaction. we have heard from multiple other third parties that they received dev kits with a good idea of the specs. maybe these guys just werent on the list. i mean, look at the developer were talking about here. Ori and the Blind forest was made by Moon Studios which has that one game as their only released product. hell, Ori wasnt even on a nintendo platform to begin with.

is this guy right? is the NX really going to be doomed from the start? im going to say no. this guy probably just got super PO'd that he doesnt have a proper dev kit and lashed out at Nintendo without thinking straight



KLXVER said:
If youre relying on third party support for your purchase of a Nintendo console at this point, you must have a very bad memory. Nintendo will never have the support that Sony and MS has. Never ever.

While I agree with you. I think Nintendo are making a HUGE mistake, the cost of making a console and games has skyrocketted over the past 20 years. I don't think nintendo can survive on just the core nintendo fans and they aren't going to pull in other audiences unless they are wooing the 3rd party developers. Basically if we are assuming a 2016 or early 2017 release nintendo are going to have to have such awesome and innovative hardware at such an awesome price just to even have a chance.



Ori and the Blind forest is Xb one/PC exclusive, and Moon Studios therefore appears to be pretty cosy with MS. Why wouldn't Nintendo keep that studio in particular at arm's length over NX.

He also says all the hardware makers are like this with pre-launch dev kits and secrecy around final specs. Yet for some reason it the reason Nintendo in particular won't get 3rd party support?

The guy seems to be a bit mixed up.



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binary solo said:
Ori and the Blind forest is Xb one/PC exclusive, and Moon Studios therefore appears to be pretty cosy with MS. Why wouldn't Nintendo keep that studio in particular at arm's length over NX.

He also says all the hardware makers are like this with pre-launch dev kits and secrecy around final specs. Yet for some reason it the reason Nintendo in particular won't get 3rd party support?

The guy seems to be a bit mixed up.

Seems like a case of an inflated ego and feeling of entitlement.  All his whining does is justify Nintendo's decision not to contact him since they only want to give dev kits (and even spec details) to people they know they can trust.



This guy clearly doesn't understand his situation, he says all hardware developers do this well the's a thing called priority and indie developers are often at the bottom of the list when getting the first batch of devkits out. He may not like it but the likes of SE, Capcom and other big companies come first in the pecking order or does he think he's on the same level as them.



I understand why they wouldn't send a devkit to these guys at this point, so that doesn't worry me at all. But I think they could at least give them the rough specs of the console. I mean, it's not like they have to worry about competition reacting to their build. Sony and MS aren't going to change a single thing regarding the specs of their console no matter what Nintendo does, so they could give the devs a break and at least tell them - x86, CPU +/- this good, GPU +/- this good, this much RAM. Wouldn't hurt them in any possible way.



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wombat123 said:
binary solo said:
Ori and the Blind forest is Xb one/PC exclusive, and Moon Studios therefore appears to be pretty cosy with MS. Why wouldn't Nintendo keep that studio in particular at arm's length over NX.

He also says all the hardware makers are like this with pre-launch dev kits and secrecy around final specs. Yet for some reason it the reason Nintendo in particular won't get 3rd party support?

The guy seems to be a bit mixed up.

Seems like a case of an inflated ego and feeling of entitlement.  All his whining does is justify Nintendo's decision not to contact him since they only want to give dev kits (and even spec details) to people they know they can trust.

This is the sort of attitude that has helped lead to nintendo's dire 3rd party support. Like it or not these are the people that help make or break a console and the sense of entitlement and inflated ego's come with the fact they are risking large bundles of money resources and time and hence expect some respect for that. I have been on the receiving end of those sort of self entitled requests but the way to treat them is grit your teeth give them what you can or tell them when they can have what they want or why not, getting these people onside should be a priority, in the end Nintendo needs them more than they need Nintendo.



AEGRO said:

My take on the NX situation

- Best Case Scenario: It will have better 3rd Party Support than the Wii U, but much much less than Playstation 4/5 and Xbox One/Two

- Worst Case Scenario: It will have the same 3rd Party Support (aka non existant) than the Wii U, nothing will change.

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Even if Nintendo manages to convince certain 3rd Parties, it will NEVER have the same support than the competition.

My opinion? The NX wont do anything in regards of this situation.

The problem right here, right now is Nintendo.

The blame is not on the console, the dev kit, this, that or the other, it is Nintendo and their way of doing business, which is archaic at best.

Nintendo doesn't need the 3rd party support that its competition has for it to be successful.  In fact, nintendo has rarely found success by depending on 3rd parties.  The concept behind the NX needs to be appealing to people the same way that the Game Boy and the DS was appealing and then Nintendo needs one or two killer apps that really sell the console at launch (ie. like Mario 64 and Tetris did for the N64 and Game Boy, respectively).  This strategy has always been Nintendo's basic formula for success.  In fact, the biggest problem that the Wii U had was that Super Mario Maker wasn't its launch title.  If it had been, Nintendo would have had the killer app to fully justify the gamepad's existence and it would have simultanneously dispelled the confusion and explained to people exactly what the gamepad was meant to do.

3rd Parties can help fill in the software droughts on Nintendo's console but they will never create success for Nintendo.  As a result, Nintendo doesn't need the same 3rd party support that the PS4/XOne do.  The key for Nintendo is that they introduce a useful piece of hardware and quickly follow it up with a killer App that completely justifies its existence.  Just like how the Wii had Wii Sports and the DS had Nintendogs and Brain Age.  For the NX to be successful, this is much more important then 3rd Party support... 3rd Parties will only return if the NX can prove itself as a success first.