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McDonaldsGuy said:
Volterra_90 said:

I didn't find the video where he says the things that random guys said he did, but I definitely read about them and I thought it was disgusting. But, as I said, his words are out there to analyse, and if he becomes the president, his actions will prove me wrong or right. I honestly think he's a joke. And everything he says upsets me. But you're in your right to like him, and I'm in my right to dislike him. His actions will prove who's wrong about him.

What does he say that upsets you? That's strage. He's pro-American.

Because I believe in healthy relationships between different cultures, and he speaks as he wants to ban muslims  at all costs. And I'm against walls. That bit about building a huge wall to keep them in their country, because a lot of rapists and murderes come is very disgusting. There's a lot more, but maybe that's what upsets me the most.



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Puppyroach said:

No, being a liberal and being for open immigration policies are very much the match made in heaven :).

Yes, he has an irrational fear of muslims. Banning people of an ENTIRE religion consisting of 1.5 billion people based on what a small, small percentage does, is weak and irrational.

In Sweden, we have far more issues with right-wing extremists protesting in the streets, assulting women and kids and setting fire to asylum camps than we have with muslims. Still, I wouldn´t ban all right-wing people because of what a few does. Simply because I´m not irrational, but rather a rational human being who understands that the world is more complex.

Sweden is the rape capital of Europe and has a higher rape rate than even Detroit. You Swedish men have no respect for women. Sad!



haxxiy said:

Fairly hyperbolic. Trump is a populist similar to a lot of politicians in modern Europe with a cult of personality of sorts, like Putin. His ideas are a mix of centre, right and even some left wing to american voters (making him closer to Kasich and early 00's Republicans than any other candidate). Calling him a fascist can be rebutted and is a easy way to be discredited as a critic of his persona. It was exactly this way that evoking comparisons to Hitler became a fallacy discredited by the entire political spectrum, not to mention it bellitled the tragedies that came from national socialism or real fascist regimes around the world.

And no, claiming you need to stand by your opinion doesn't exempt you. It's merely a cheap misdirection to dispense you from any logical discussion on the subject.

Ofcourse he´s a populist, every politician who has radical views on society and is succesful is a populist that knows how to tap in to people´s desire for change in society. Sanders is a also a populist. But what makes a populist dangerous is when the proposals include hunting down huge amounts of people, playing on people´s extreme fears for dangers that do not exist or pushing an agenda to hate on people based on their nationality or religion.

And ofcourse he wouldn´t say he´s a fascist (I don´t think he believes that either) but the opinions he express are fascist and xenophobic. And those tragedies you speak of always occured when that radical populist got political power.

And the last part I don´t understand. Where did I say I needed exemption?



Volterra_90 said:
McDonaldsGuy said:

What does he say that upsets you? That's strage. He's pro-American.

Because I believe in healthy relationships between different cultures, and he speaks as he wants to ban muslims  at all costs. And I'm against walls. That bit about building a huge wall to keep them in their country, because a lot of rapists and murderes come is very disgusting. There's a lot more, but maybe that's what upsets me the most.

Other cultures protect their borders brother. Here is Saudi Arabia's wall:

Care to explain this?



McDonaldsGuy said:
Volterra_90 said:

Because I believe in healthy relationships between different cultures, and he speaks as he wants to ban muslims  at all costs. And I'm against walls. That bit about building a huge wall to keep them in their country, because a lot of rapists and murderes come is very disgusting. There's a lot more, but maybe that's what upsets me the most.

Other cultures protect their borders brother. Here is Saudi Arabia's wall:

Care to explain this?

Yeah, they're assholes, it's not a question of race xDDDDDDD. People must be spending their resources on cultural understanding, not on borders and frontiers between people. This only creates hate, and the cycle of hate will never stop.



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Volterra_90 said:
McDonaldsGuy said:

Other cultures protect their borders brother. Here is Saudi Arabia's wall:

 

Care to explain this?

Yeah, they're assholes, it's not a question of race xDDDDDDD. People must be spending their resources on cultural understanding, not on borders and frontiers between people. This only creates hate, and the cycle of hate will never stop.

Here is Israel's border wall:

Mexico deports more illegal Central Americans than the USA does: http://www.businessinsider.com/mexico-now-deports-more-central-americans-than-the-us-2015-6

MEXICO CITY (AP) — Mexico now deports more Central American migrants than the United States, a dramatic shift since the U.S. asked Mexico for help a year ago with a spike in illegal migration, especially among unaccompanied minors.

Do you know why these countries protect their borders?



Volterra_90 said:
McDonaldsGuy said:

Who do you think Trump really is? Explain what you mean.

He speaks for himself actually. I have no need to explain myself so I will let him explain himself :P

 

EDIT: Don't mind the comments, I'm just interested on what Donald Trump said. I think it speaks for itself. 

Elaborate -- Nothing really was shown here.

Remove Obamacare, Eradicate ISIS,  Build a Southern Wall,  find people to fill positions that are actually competent and capable.   That was what I viewed on the first video.

Second video,  was essentially a regular rally that was calling Trump racist for some random audience member yelling "White Power".    Which given the track record for Trump rallies,  it probably was some leftist trying to interrupt.  



AlfredoTurkey said:
As much fun as it would be to see Trump nominated as the GOP candidate and thus, destroyed by a real politician during national debates, it's not going to happen. He knows it's not going to happen. The only people who don't know are his "followers".

real politicians? Hillary Clinton is not a real politician



McDonaldsGuy said:

 

Volterra_90 said:

Yeah, they're assholes, it's not a question of race xDDDDDDD. People must be spending their resources on cultural understanding, not on borders and frontiers between people. This only creates hate, and the cycle of hate will never stop.

Here is Israel's border wall:

Mexico deports more illegal Central Americans than the USA does: http://www.businessinsider.com/mexico-now-deports-more-central-americans-than-the-us-2015-6

MEXICO CITY (AP) — Mexico now deports more Central American migrants than the United States, a dramatic shift since the U.S. asked Mexico for help a year ago with a spike in illegal migration, especially among unaccompanied minors.

Do you know why these countries protect their borders?

I get that the Middle East is a conflictive area, so I quite understand why they're doing that. But it's not like I support them. We'll have to stop building walls, because this situation creates hate both sides of the walls. That's not healthy. If we continue to build more, the cycle will never stop. I truly believe that what we need is education and cultural understanding, and that's the way to understand ourselves, to understand other cultures. Not promoting hate against a race and just keep them outside like it's the Black Death or something. People like Trump take advantage of this fear to win supporters.



Volterra_90 said:
McDonaldsGuy said:

 

Here is Israel's border wall:

 

Mexico deports more illegal Central Americans than the USA does: http://www.businessinsider.com/mexico-now-deports-more-central-americans-than-the-us-2015-6

MEXICO CITY (AP) — Mexico now deports more Central American migrants than the United States, a dramatic shift since the U.S. asked Mexico for help a year ago with a spike in illegal migration, especially among unaccompanied minors.

Do you know why these countries protect their borders?

I get that the Middle East is a conflictive area, so I quite understand why they're doing that. But it's not like I support them. We'll have to stop building walls, because this situation creates hate both sides of the walls. That's not healthy. If we continue to build more, the cycle will never stop. I truly believe that what we need is education and cultural understanding, and that's the way to understand ourselves, to understand other cultures. Not promoting hate against a race and just keep them outside like it's the Black Death or something. People like Trump take advantage of this fear to win supporters.

You keep saying it "creates" hate but have you ever thought the hate is already there?

Would you allow me to live in your house? Yes or no?

Why is it that Israelites like George Soros say borders are a bad thing in Europe, but Israel needs a border wall? Think about it long and hard.