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Forums - Politics - Bernie Sanders confuses me

Nettles said:
Teeqoz said:
Read up:
https://berniesanders.com/issues/how-bernie-pays-for-his-proposals/

Everyone pays higher tax under Sanders and yet his numbers still don't add up.

Read this : http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-02-02/why-bernie-sanders-has-raise-taxes-middle-class

The people who wrote that apparently didn't read Bernie's tax plans. the extra tax relatvie to income to cover healthcare will be paid by employees, not employers. And even your link admits that that is the biggest proportion of extra taxes. Now sure, yes, that will come at a slight expense to people's wages as well, but you are ignoring how much money people won't have to spend due to services being free or largely so. The average American household spends shittonnes on healthcare, doesn't really matter if that is paid through taxes or through normal bills, you pay the money either way. The difference is that this way you won't have to risk people slowly dying because they can't afford health insurance, etc.

Furthermore, people will save money on college, because community colleges will be free, and student debt will be easier to repay due to interest reform. So sure, people might pay more in taxes, but they'll pay a lot less in outside costs. I could find more examples on this. At the same time, ultra rich will bear proportionately more of the load than poor, and some important ways are closing stupid tax loopholes that corporations are using to hide money from the IRS.

As for some of his most expensive, they are neccesary either way (ie. infrastructure rebuilding). It's just that Bernie is the only one that isn't too much of a coward to adress it. Reality is that the US is getting to the point where maintaining their old infrastructure is becoming substantially more expensive than renewing it, so it has to be done. Wouldn't you want a president that actually recognizes that? Also renewing infrastructure has pretty much unanimously given strong economic returns, so with a long term perspective, the Us will end up making money on that.



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I'm not against some government subsidization of certain college courses that are useful to society - engineering, medicine, STEM in general.But is there really any benefit to tens of thousands more (because it's free more will attend) doing gender studies, liberal arts, philosophy, photography? Seriously there are fuckall jobs in these fields as it is so where is the benefit to the US economy and taxpayers?



Geralt said:
Bernie Sanders is a wack job. The only reason hes saying these things is because a majority of the people in the country are poor and hes trying to buy votes rather than solve the real problems

But he´s literally trying to solve the real problems



Nettles said:
I'm not against some government subsidization of certain college courses that are useful to society - engineering, medicine, STEM in general.But is there really any benefit to tens of thousands more (because it's free more will attend) doing gender studies, liberal arts, philosophy, photography? Seriously there are fuckall jobs in these fields as it is so where is the benefit to the US economy and taxpayers?

Students might be more prepared to enrol In courses which are traditionally harder If they know that if they fail one exam they wouldn't have thrown away thousands of dollars.



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Bernie is awesome. Read the story on Vice how Americans are fleeing to Europe to escape their student debts.



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If you more than double the minimum wage and heavily tax corporations, won't that just cause people to lose jobs and the inflation rate to go way up?



Mr.Playstation said:
Nettles said:
I'm not against some government subsidization of certain college courses that are useful to society - engineering, medicine, STEM in general.But is there really any benefit to tens of thousands more (because it's free more will attend) doing gender studies, liberal arts, philosophy, photography? Seriously there are fuckall jobs in these fields as it is so where is the benefit to the US economy and taxpayers?

Students might be more prepared to enrol In courses which are traditionally harder If they know that if they fail one exam they wouldn't have thrown away thousands of dollars.

Maybe, at a stretch.But you can't deny there will be a huge rise in people doing college courses "for fun" on topics that interest them.I still think photography, media studies, gender studies, philosophy will see a surge in enrollment due to this.Why should the taxpayer fund these courses that have no jobs at the end and in my view in the case of gender studies are detrimental to society.Do we really need more fainting couch feminists like Anita Sarkeesian?

 



I wouldn't say Bernie is more "brave" or "ideologically pure" than any other candidate. The fact is that "anti-estabilishment" candidates are basically irrelevant on large game politics, and have never been required to compromise towards any of their goals. Should Bernie get ellected - which he won't, because a candidate like him will be lolstomped by basically any Republican nominee - probably even Trump - he would be another Alexis Tsipras, unable to do anything even remotely ressembling his promisses and hated by two thirds of the populace.

Instead of promissing freebies for all, an old as molasses scheme to attract public support and of which the gullible, idealistic youth are specially prone to fell into, candidates should take a look on why:

- State subsides to public universities have been steadily falling, pushing tuition rates higher, even though the US has rising tax income and a stable percentage of its population on the young adult bracket for decades now. Where's the money, dear governors?

- Medical costs have spiraled so high with little return -lower than European life expectancies with twice the cost - meaning the country can't effectively pay for ample public healthcare, even when it already spends as much per capita on it as an European welfare state.

On the flip side, Bernie does support the recognition of the Armenian Genocide unlike basically every American president so far... even though he predictably turns a blind eye on the atrocities Israel commit against Palestinians. So I'd watch out for even more Israel support and military/financial help in his government.

 

Edit - of course he would lose against most nominees but he does have a good chance against this one here:



 

 

 

 

 

Nettles said:
I'm not against some government subsidization of certain college courses that are useful to society - engineering, medicine, STEM in general.But is there really any benefit to tens of thousands more (because it's free more will attend) doing gender studies, liberal arts, philosophy, photography? Seriously there are fuckall jobs in these fields as it is so where is the benefit to the US economy and taxpayers?

If all colleges were free, I think the US would do well in looking at how you distribute students places. In Sweden, the government regulate how many students a university can accept by how much money the university will receive.



Nettles said:
If i was voting in the democratic primary i would still vote him over Clinton.Sure, he's completely insane but he does not seem to be establishment.Voted in favour of auditing the fed about a month ago.

 

Coincidental that any candidate calling for an audit of the Fed gets marginalized by the corporate media? I think not.

 

Corporatism needs to end. Any candidate that vows to overturn Citizens United, audit the Fed, regulate Wall Street, and end corporate welfare has my vote.



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