I think one thing we don't talk about with piracy is actually the positives it can have. I was burned out on Far Cry by the time 3 came out, after saying no more playing the awful Wii one and having skipped 2 entirely, my friends kept telling me how amazing 3 was, so knowing I'd never buy it even at discount I looked for a demo, couldn't find one so I yarr'd it, played it for two hours, fell in love with it and bought it new off Amazon for console and a Steam copy too along with the dlc. I bought Blood Dragon on launch day as well as 4 and all it's DLC which I had for console and then recently picked up the DX edition on Steam. Heck, I already pre ordered Primal. What I'm saying is, while I wouldn't do that anymore quite often people use torrents and piracy because the developers don't put a demo out.

Yes it is an insult. Just because you think it's not, doesn't magically make it ok. Also, what exactly has been proven here? That people make a claim without having anything to back it up? Yeah, thought so. The funniest thing is seeing people calling others ignorant while they're the ignorant ones.

I guess courtroom judges or lawyers must be insulting their clients/non clients then since I hear that word being used a lot and it makes sense when used in such hearings. Same with police pressing charges and reading them with the word "ignorance". The core article on ignorance does not state it as a direct insult and ignorance in general isn't an insult, it's an actual thing people express every day.

I like how you just contradicted yourself, especially with what you said to the other person.

@Bolded, no need to be cocky.

@bolded. Where did I say that? Why do you feel like putting words into people's mouths? Every single time I have commented on piracy, I said that a percentage of those pirated copies would have led to sales. Now if that % is 5%, 1%. 0.001% is debatable and we will likely never know. All I know is that when I was pirating games I was giving 0 money to the industry (only bought the consoles and sony wasn't making any money off them) and when I couldn't pirate games and had to pay for them, I did. There are others who have admitted so as well, but certain people choose to ignore all such stories in an effort to defend piracy.

That wasn't meant to be directed at you, however I will edit that part to show as such. Also I don't condone piracy but I know why it exists and why it will continue to do so.

Yes, I am aware how piracy can help sales and how a lot of companies are still making money despite piracy. But people like to ignore how piracy affects certain types of games more than others. Dante's Inferno was the most pirated game on xb360 the year it came out. The developers didn't make enough money and there wasn't a sequel. The game scored well on meta and the quality had nothing to do with its lack of sales. People are more likely to pirate single player games, beat them (not try them as a demo) and then never buy them.

People like to pay attention to piracy too much at times when they also choose to ignore profits they have and will make. I had this discussion earlier today at work and at least 3 of my co-workers saw that you cannot destroy piracy, each time someone is born into this world and grows up thinking they can just stop something that has transpired across countless centuries. That said you can just live with it and turn it around in terms of publicity or trying to convert would be pirates, it can and has happened before, though if you just blow up in anon faces you're unlikely to get anywhere. Wasn't DE published by EA?, how come Sony or MS didn't pick them up like how we've seen over the years for multiple studios. Sony stepped in for the devs behind NMS after all, why didn't anyone step in then?, it's not like last gen was super weak in terms of support and supporting devs or anything.

Skyrim was #1 on the most pirated list when it came out, some years later Bethesda still made their money. I'm very sure the dev behind Witness will also still make his money from both consoles and PC, especially as the years go by, assuming he leaves his game up on multiple storefronts.

Don't worry, John, I stuck with the PS4 version. I gave up on illegally downloading stuff years ago.

Maybe if you weren't charging $40 for an indie puzzle game...

I don't approve of piracy, but the reason why The Witness is being targeted is pretty clear.

Not a single soul alive that talks about the positives of piracy would be saying the same thing if they spent the last 2-3yrs of their lives making a game only for it to get pirated by 10 people not to talk about by millions of people.