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Miyamotoo said:



We talked about if Nintendo will make Zelda U like launch title for NX. I think that is almost certain and the whole situation is very similar to TP situation.

I will just copy what I already wrote:

Point is If you make Zelda U NX game too and launch it with NX, use it to promote NX and reverse use NX to promote game, you will definitely have much stronger sales of game than if it's Wii U exclusive. No to mentione being NX launch title very help launch. Its common business sense, basically you have only positive staffs making Zelda U port like NX launch title, you dont have any negative staffs.

Also we already saw this gen how Nintendo promote big games months after launch, do you really think Nintendo would promote Wii U game on release, or maybe relase some sort of DLC months after launch when Wii U already will very dead and whole focus will be on new platform!? Do you really think that for 3 years for now Wii U version of game would sell better, or NX version of game would sell better!? What if Nintendo in some point decide to bundle Zelda U, do you think they will bundle Wii U game with NX!?

Porting of game would cost only few milon's, Nintendo would cover the cost of port basically with around 100k copies more sold with NX port, but reality is that making Zelda U NX launch title would sold few millions more copies than just Wii U version.

 

No negatives huh?

How about pissing off the Wii U owners? Not enough you say, well then how about the fact that if it releases on Wii U first, then months later on the NX we would be looking at it only selling around 1.5 million copies. Yeah, enough to cover development costs but not enough to justify burning bridges with the fans you got left, and we can only really come to that conclusion if we assume the NX is going to appeal to people who are not Nintendo fans, and want the new Zelda despite its continued cel shaded artstyle (look at Windwaker, 1080p with updated soundtrack though still midi and open world). And sure they could bundle the game for NX, but do you think that bundle will sell anywhere near the amount a new Mario bundle, or a Splat2n bundle would sell? Knowing this it comes off less as a "smart business decision" and more as a pointless liability. There are WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY easier ways for Nintendo to get the same amount of money Zelda U on NX would get them. Not entirly sure why people think Nintendo has this mentality that Zelda alone MUST make all this supposed money... Let's face it, Zelda at its best only appeals to about 10 million people.

Now think about a holiday 2016 game release alongside a Wii U bundle (32gb deluxe version) for $200 (major price drop would be imminent due to the NX announcement) with a gold Wii U, and Link Amiibo included. Special edition game also comes with an amiibo and a collectors box (think Windwaker HD special edition but instead of Ganondorf statue included Link amiibo). There are always quite a bit of people who wait for both the right price and bundle to get the console due to getting Wii U games cheap. I'm doing that exact same thing with the PS4. 



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bigtakilla said:
Miyamotoo said:



We talked about if Nintendo will make Zelda U like launch title for NX. I think that is almost certain and the whole situation is very similar to TP situation.

I will just copy what I already wrote:

Point is If you make Zelda U NX game too and launch it with NX, use it to promote NX and reverse use NX to promote game, you will definitely have much stronger sales of game than if it's Wii U exclusive. No to mentione being NX launch title very help launch. Its common business sense, basically you have only positive staffs making Zelda U port like NX launch title, you dont have any negative staffs.

Also we already saw this gen how Nintendo promote big games months after launch, do you really think Nintendo would promote Wii U game on release, or maybe relase some sort of DLC months after launch when Wii U already will very dead and whole focus will be on new platform!? Do you really think that for 3 years for now Wii U version of game would sell better, or NX version of game would sell better!? What if Nintendo in some point decide to bundle Zelda U, do you think they will bundle Wii U game with NX!?

Porting of game would cost only few milon's, Nintendo would cover the cost of port basically with around 100k copies more sold with NX port, but reality is that making Zelda U NX launch title would sold few millions more copies than just Wii U version.

 

No negatives huh?

How about pissing off the Wii U owners? Not enough you say, well then how about the fact that if it releases on Wii U first, then months later on the NX we would be looking at it only selling around 1.5 million copies. Yeah, enough to cover development costs but not enough to justify burning bridges with the fans you got left, and we can only really come to that conclusion if we assume the NX is going to appeal to people who are not Nintendo fans, and want the new Zelda despite its continued cel shaded artstyle (look at Windwaker, 1080p with updated soundtrack though still midi and open world). And sure they could bundle the game for NX, but do you think that bundle will sell anywhere near the amount a new Mario bundle, or a Splat2n bundle would sell? Knowing this it comes off less as a "smart business decision" and more as a pointless liability. There are WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY easier ways for Nintendo to get the same amount of money Zelda U on NX would get them. Not entirly sure why people think Nintendo has this mentality that Zelda alone MUST make all this supposed money... Let's face it, Zelda at its best only appeals to about 10 million people.

Now think about a holiday 2016 game release alongside a Wii U bundle (32gb deluxe version) for $200 (major price drop would be imminent due to the NX announcement) with a gold Wii U, and Link Amiibo included. Special edition game also comes with an amiibo and a collectors box (think Windwaker HD special edition but instead of Ganondorf statue included Link amiibo). There are always quite a bit of people who wait for both the right price and bundle to get the console due to getting Wii U games cheap. I'm doing that exact same thing with the PS4. 

Why Wii U owners would be piss!? They will get game in any case, they will get what is promised to them, it not like Nintendo will not release at all Zelda U on Wii U. Same is done with TP when its launched on Wii.

I saying that Zelda U for NX will be released in same time like Zelda U for Wii U, end of 2016. Same like TP was released on GC and Wii. If you think that Zelda U will sell only 1.5m on NX you dont know what you talking about, WW HD port sold more than 1.6 (LT will be around 2m) on Wii U very low instal base, Zelda U on NX in that case would sell at least around 3m.

Nintendo is bundling lotsa games, not just Mario or Splatoon bundle, and you can bet that NX Zelda U bundle at launch would sell very good.

There is non single way that Zelda U on Wii U only would bring same amount of money than Zelda U on Wii U and NX. First you will have game that will be selling on two different platform, second Wii U is almost dead, next home console will be probably be released at end of this year in worst case next year, NX is completely new platform and will be on market around 5 years. Just look sales of TP on GC and Wii, on GC TP sold around 1m on Wii sold around 7m.

 

Biggest difference is that I think NX will be released this year and it will launch title, you dont think that will be NEXT released this year. Even if NX dont arrive this year, I am sure that Zelda U will be ported to NX in any case.



Miyamotoo said:

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Actually Nintendo didn't kill Wii to early, if you look history of Nintendo consoles usually they have life span of around 5 years where last year is completely dead, Wii had life span of 6 years where last two years were dead. So actual problem with Wii is that Nintendo has it too long on market without successor, while in meantime all Wii owners migreated on mobile and PS3/Xbox360 platforms. Wii successor needed to arrive in 2011, not at end of 2012.

From Wii U perspective, NX launch in 2016. would be rushed because Nintendo consoles usually have life span of around 5 years where last year is dead, but from development side of NX and preparing launch I dont think it will be rushed at all. I dont think 3rd parties and Wii U owners will piss becuse its well known that Wii U selling terible and Nintendo alrede relased almost all biggest franchaises for it, 2016. launch and shorter Wii U life is somehow expected so it can't be really any surprise.

I dont think we will see next PS/Xbox consoles before 2019, and Nintendo definitely can't wait so long with Wii U and best choice is to launch new console fastest they can and that's definitely end of 2016.

I know 7th gen lifecycle was a very long one, I meant "early" killing of Wii referred to its successor's launch, as Ninty used the same Wii brand, so it should have kept it "alive" instead of letting people perceive it as forsaken.
About NX launch from Wii U perspective, I see we quite agree, but I don't agree about launching NX in 2016 anyway (at least not "Home NX"), I agree that Ninty cannot wait for PS and XB next consoles launches, but 2017 would give NX a lead long enough to bring great benefits without being so early to allow Sony and MS to play the tricks I suggested. About Wii U users: most of them don't follow and care about sales numbers, they chose and supported it and the only thing they'd see would be their console abandoned too early for their tastes. About devs and publishers, well it's just matter of how many actually believed even just a little in Wii U, and how much they invested to support it, and how many instead totally snubbed it, but are still ready to support a better selling Ninty console without any negative bias. Wii U is selling terrible, but it still has some chances to match or outsell GC sales lifetime (including possible low sales after NX launch), and we know that GC low sales didn't prevent Wii from being a great success.
Nintendo has almost always great profitability and it has a huge cash, and it's not bloated at all, it just has little more than 5000 employees, maybe the solution could just be to hire a hundred devs to better support Wii U and 3DS at the end of their lives while being at the same time able to develop games full steam for NX launch, but maybe NX almost unified portable and home architecture could allow Ninty to do it even without hiring new devs.





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Thunderbird77 said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
As I wrote many times, IMVHO Ninty won't rush anything. Early release didn't pay for XB360, it paid even less for Wii U and it barely paid for 3DS only because PSV did awfully, but 3DS had a horrible launch and it needed a huge price cut with heavy temporary losses to be fixed, and after a roaring "second" launch, it eventually fell under average sales of its unbeatable dad, DS, with its enhanced New 3DS edition not as strong as DSi was for DS, The record is quite bad for early launches, both for Ninty and for other companies, with few exceptions that worked thanks to many other factors helping them, early launch alone wouldn't have worked.
So, 2016 could be the earliest possible year for Portable NX, while 2017 will be for Home NX, but I wouldn't be surprised if no launches at all happen this year.

Early release did pay for 360. Wii U wasn't released early and neither did 3ds.



Sorry, I wasn't clear about what I meant for "early", so I had to clarify, here http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=7723098 and here http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=7726714





Stwike him, Centuwion. Stwike him vewy wuffly! (Pontius Pilate, "Life of Brian")
A fart without stink is like a sky without stars.
TGS, Third Grade Shooter: brand new genre invented by Kevin Butler exclusively for Natal WiiToo Kinect. PEW! PEW-PEW-PEW! 
 


Thunderbird77 said:
Shiken said:

The WiiU is only slightly more powerful than the PS3 or 360, no where near the PS4 or X1.  Games that are designed for PS4 and X1 could not be done on the WiiU without major drawbacks, not just framerate.  However ANY game on WiiU could work on the other two minus the game pad (unless you have a Vita and you use the second screen function, which can also be done with a smart phone).  This is why people classify the WiiU as a gen behind in tech.

Oh, how wrong you are.

Where is he wrong?

Do you think the WiiU performance is closer to PS4/XBO than PS3/360 performance?

Do you doubt that a port of any WiiU game would be possible on PS4 or XBO?

 

 



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oMahly said:

Nintendo said that the NX will not replace Wii U so..........

Nintendo said that the DS will not replace GBA so..........





Alby_da_Wolf said:
Miyamotoo said:

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Actually Nintendo didn't kill Wii to early, if you look history of Nintendo consoles usually they have life span of around 5 years where last year is completely dead, Wii had life span of 6 years where last two years were dead. So actual problem with Wii is that Nintendo has it too long on market without successor, while in meantime all Wii owners migreated on mobile and PS3/Xbox360 platforms. Wii successor needed to arrive in 2011, not at end of 2012.

From Wii U perspective, NX launch in 2016. would be rushed because Nintendo consoles usually have life span of around 5 years where last year is dead, but from development side of NX and preparing launch I dont think it will be rushed at all. I dont think 3rd parties and Wii U owners will piss becuse its well known that Wii U selling terible and Nintendo alrede relased almost all biggest franchaises for it, 2016. launch and shorter Wii U life is somehow expected so it can't be really any surprise.

I dont think we will see next PS/Xbox consoles before 2019, and Nintendo definitely can't wait so long with Wii U and best choice is to launch new console fastest they can and that's definitely end of 2016.

I know 7th gen lifecycle was a very long one, I meant "early" killing of Wii referred to its successor's launch, as Ninty used the same Wii brand, so it should have kept it "alive" instead of letting people perceive it as forsaken.
About NX launch from Wii U perspective, I see we quite agree, but I don't agree about launching NX in 2016 anyway (at least not "Home NX"), I agree that Ninty cannot wait for PS and XB next consoles launches, but 2017 would give NX a lead long enough to bring great benefits without being so early to allow Sony and MS to play the tricks I suggested. About Wii U users: most of them don't follow and care about sales numbers, they chose and supported it and the only thing they'd see would be their console abandoned too early for their tastes. About devs and publishers, well it's just matter of how many actually believed even just a little in Wii U, and how much they invested to support it, and how many instead totally snubbed it, but are still ready to support a better selling Ninty console without any negative bias. Wii U is selling terrible, but it still has some chances to match or outsell GC sales lifetime (including possible low sales after NX launch), and we know that GC low sales didn't prevent Wii from being a great success.
Nintendo has almost always great profitability and it has a huge cash, and it's not bloated at all, it just has little more than 5000 employees, maybe the solution could just be to hire a hundred devs to better support Wii U and 3DS at the end of their lives while being at the same time able to develop games full steam for NX launch, but maybe NX almost unified portable and home architecture could allow Ninty to do it even without hiring new devs.

Like I wrote,Nintendo consoles usually have life span of around 5 years where last year is dead, releasing NX in 2016. would be basically those 4 yearsand Nintendo already relased almost all biggest franchaises for it, so I dont think Wii U owners will be pissed at all. Also original Xbox 4 years of life and that didn't stop Xbox 360 becoming huge success.

That would be throwin money at wind, 3DS/Wii U are almost dead, sales proves that and Nintendo already released almost biggest IP-s for those platforms, so why would Nintendo make any bigger projects any more when can they prepare them for NX in order to have better chances to be much successful platform. Currently they keep supporting WiiU/3DS with small projects, spinoffs and ports, while in same time they preparing games for NX, and I think thats pretty good strategy in this pretty complicated situation for NIntendo.



oMahly said:

Nintendo said that the NX will not replace Wii U so..........

 


Like how the DS wasn't going to replace the GB? That was only 3 years after release as well and the GBA actually very sold well.



Conina said:
oMahly said:

Nintendo said that the NX will not replace Wii U so..........

Nintendo said that the DS will not replace GBA so..........



The guy isn't even using the quote from Nintendo correctly anyway, they said it wouldn't be a SIMPLE replacement for Wii U or 3DS.





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Miyamotoo said:
bigtakilla said:
Miyamotoo said:



We talked about if Nintendo will make Zelda U like launch title for NX. I think that is almost certain and the whole situation is very similar to TP situation.

I will just copy what I already wrote:

Point is If you make Zelda U NX game too and launch it with NX, use it to promote NX and reverse use NX to promote game, you will definitely have much stronger sales of game than if it's Wii U exclusive. No to mentione being NX launch title very help launch. Its common business sense, basically you have only positive staffs making Zelda U port like NX launch title, you dont have any negative staffs.

Also we already saw this gen how Nintendo promote big games months after launch, do you really think Nintendo would promote Wii U game on release, or maybe relase some sort of DLC months after launch when Wii U already will very dead and whole focus will be on new platform!? Do you really think that for 3 years for now Wii U version of game would sell better, or NX version of game would sell better!? What if Nintendo in some point decide to bundle Zelda U, do you think they will bundle Wii U game with NX!?

Porting of game would cost only few milon's, Nintendo would cover the cost of port basically with around 100k copies more sold with NX port, but reality is that making Zelda U NX launch title would sold few millions more copies than just Wii U version.

 

No negatives huh?

How about pissing off the Wii U owners? Not enough you say, well then how about the fact that if it releases on Wii U first, then months later on the NX we would be looking at it only selling around 1.5 million copies. Yeah, enough to cover development costs but not enough to justify burning bridges with the fans you got left, and we can only really come to that conclusion if we assume the NX is going to appeal to people who are not Nintendo fans, and want the new Zelda despite its continued cel shaded artstyle (look at Windwaker, 1080p with updated soundtrack though still midi and open world). And sure they could bundle the game for NX, but do you think that bundle will sell anywhere near the amount a new Mario bundle, or a Splat2n bundle would sell? Knowing this it comes off less as a "smart business decision" and more as a pointless liability. There are WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY easier ways for Nintendo to get the same amount of money Zelda U on NX would get them. Not entirly sure why people think Nintendo has this mentality that Zelda alone MUST make all this supposed money... Let's face it, Zelda at its best only appeals to about 10 million people.

Now think about a holiday 2016 game release alongside a Wii U bundle (32gb deluxe version) for $200 (major price drop would be imminent due to the NX announcement) with a gold Wii U, and Link Amiibo included. Special edition game also comes with an amiibo and a collectors box (think Windwaker HD special edition but instead of Ganondorf statue included Link amiibo). There are always quite a bit of people who wait for both the right price and bundle to get the console due to getting Wii U games cheap. I'm doing that exact same thing with the PS4. 

Why Wii U owners would be piss!? They will get game in any case, they will get what is promised to them, it not like Nintendo will not release at all Zelda U on Wii U. Same is done with TP when its launched on Wii.

I saying that Zelda U for NX will be released in same time like Zelda U for Wii U, end of 2016. Same like TP was released on GC and Wii. If you think that Zelda U will sell only 1.5m on NX you dont know what you talking about, WW HD port sold more than 1.6 (LT will be around 2m) on Wii U very low instal base, Zelda U on NX in that case would sell at least around 3m.

Nintendo is bundling lotsa games, not just Mario or Splatoon bundle, and you can bet that NX Zelda U bundle at launch would sell very good.

There is non single way that Zelda U on Wii U only would bring same amount of money than Zelda U on Wii U and NX. First you will have game that will be selling on two different platform, second Wii U is almost dead, next home console will be probably be released at end of this year in worst case next year, NX is completely new platform and will be on market around 5 years. Just look sales of TP on GC and Wii, on GC TP sold around 1m on Wii sold around 7m.

 

Biggest difference is that I think NX will be released this year and it will launch title, you dont think that will be NEXT released this year. Even if NX dont arrive this year, I am sure that Zelda U will be ported to NX in any case.

There's no denying a duel release would bring in more numbers, as negligable as they would be. Now answer the question of why they would take time developing it when literally any of their IP would bring in the same numbers as the lower selling release. Star Fox typically brings in more than 1.5 million. Metroid typically brings in twice that.