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bigtakilla said:
Miyamotoo said:
bigtakilla said:
Miyamotoo said:



We talked about if Nintendo will make Zelda U like launch title for NX. I think that is almost certain and the whole situation is very similar to TP situation.

I will just copy what I already wrote:

Point is If you make Zelda U NX game too and launch it with NX, use it to promote NX and reverse use NX to promote game, you will definitely have much stronger sales of game than if it's Wii U exclusive. No to mentione being NX launch title very help launch. Its common business sense, basically you have only positive staffs making Zelda U port like NX launch title, you dont have any negative staffs.

Also we already saw this gen how Nintendo promote big games months after launch, do you really think Nintendo would promote Wii U game on release, or maybe relase some sort of DLC months after launch when Wii U already will very dead and whole focus will be on new platform!? Do you really think that for 3 years for now Wii U version of game would sell better, or NX version of game would sell better!? What if Nintendo in some point decide to bundle Zelda U, do you think they will bundle Wii U game with NX!?

Porting of game would cost only few milon's, Nintendo would cover the cost of port basically with around 100k copies more sold with NX port, but reality is that making Zelda U NX launch title would sold few millions more copies than just Wii U version.

 

No negatives huh?

How about pissing off the Wii U owners? Not enough you say, well then how about the fact that if it releases on Wii U first, then months later on the NX we would be looking at it only selling around 1.5 million copies. Yeah, enough to cover development costs but not enough to justify burning bridges with the fans you got left, and we can only really come to that conclusion if we assume the NX is going to appeal to people who are not Nintendo fans, and want the new Zelda despite its continued cel shaded artstyle (look at Windwaker, 1080p with updated soundtrack though still midi and open world). And sure they could bundle the game for NX, but do you think that bundle will sell anywhere near the amount a new Mario bundle, or a Splat2n bundle would sell? Knowing this it comes off less as a "smart business decision" and more as a pointless liability. There are WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY easier ways for Nintendo to get the same amount of money Zelda U on NX would get them. Not entirly sure why people think Nintendo has this mentality that Zelda alone MUST make all this supposed money... Let's face it, Zelda at its best only appeals to about 10 million people.

Now think about a holiday 2016 game release alongside a Wii U bundle (32gb deluxe version) for $200 (major price drop would be imminent due to the NX announcement) with a gold Wii U, and Link Amiibo included. Special edition game also comes with an amiibo and a collectors box (think Windwaker HD special edition but instead of Ganondorf statue included Link amiibo). There are always quite a bit of people who wait for both the right price and bundle to get the console due to getting Wii U games cheap. I'm doing that exact same thing with the PS4. 

Why Wii U owners would be piss!? They will get game in any case, they will get what is promised to them, it not like Nintendo will not release at all Zelda U on Wii U. Same is done with TP when its launched on Wii.

I saying that Zelda U for NX will be released in same time like Zelda U for Wii U, end of 2016. Same like TP was released on GC and Wii. If you think that Zelda U will sell only 1.5m on NX you dont know what you talking about, WW HD port sold more than 1.6 (LT will be around 2m) on Wii U very low instal base, Zelda U on NX in that case would sell at least around 3m.

Nintendo is bundling lotsa games, not just Mario or Splatoon bundle, and you can bet that NX Zelda U bundle at launch would sell very good.

There is non single way that Zelda U on Wii U only would bring same amount of money than Zelda U on Wii U and NX. First you will have game that will be selling on two different platform, second Wii U is almost dead, next home console will be probably be released at end of this year in worst case next year, NX is completely new platform and will be on market around 5 years. Just look sales of TP on GC and Wii, on GC TP sold around 1m on Wii sold around 7m.

 

Biggest difference is that I think NX will be released this year and it will launch title, you dont think that will be NEXT released this year. Even if NX dont arrive this year, I am sure that Zelda U will be ported to NX in any case.

There's no denying a duel release would bring in more numbers, as negligable as they would be. Now answer the question of why they would take time developing it when literally any of their IP would bring in the same numbers as the lower selling release. Star Fox typically brings in more than 1.5 million. Metroid typically brings in twice that.



 

Metroid does not typically sell twice that.

Metroid II, Super Metroid, Fusion, Prime 2, Prime 3, Other M all sold between 1.2-1.8 million.

the original and the first Prime are the only two entries that have ever sold over 2 million.



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zorg1000 said:
bigtakilla said:

There's no denying a duel release would bring in more numbers, as negligable as they would be. Now answer the question of why they would take time developing it when literally any of their IP would bring in the same numbers as the lower selling release. Star Fox typically brings in more than 1.5 million. Metroid typically brings in twice that.



 

Metroid does not typically sell twice that.

Metroid II, Super Metroid, Fusion, Prime 2, Prime 3, Other M all sold between 1.2-1.8 million.

the original and the first Prime are the only two entries that have ever sold over 2 million.

True enough, still two minor series in Nintendo's arsenal would sell just as much.





Conina said:
Thunderbird77 said:
Shiken said:

The WiiU is only slightly more powerful than the PS3 or 360, no where near the PS4 or X1.  Games that are designed for PS4 and X1 could not be done on the WiiU without major drawbacks, not just framerate.  However ANY game on WiiU could work on the other two minus the game pad (unless you have a Vita and you use the second screen function, which can also be done with a smart phone).  This is why people classify the WiiU as a gen behind in tech.

Oh, how wrong you are.

Where is he wrong?

Do you think the WiiU performance is closer to PS4/XBO than PS3/360 performance?

Do you doubt that a port of any WiiU game would be possible on PS4 or XBO?

 

 

???? why wouldn't a wii u game be possible on ps4 or x1?

He is 100% wrong when saying that wii u is only slightly more powerful than a ps3 or 360, that it's nowhere near ps4 and x1, that wii u couldn't get ps4/x1 ports without major drawbacks, everything. And he even finishes saying that is why people classify wii u as a gen behind in tech. Since those "reasons" aren't true only people with no technological knowladge would think wii u is a gen behind.





Thunderbird77 said:
Conina said:
Thunderbird77 said:
Shiken said:

The WiiU is only slightly more powerful than the PS3 or 360, no where near the PS4 or X1.  Games that are designed for PS4 and X1 could not be done on the WiiU without major drawbacks, not just framerate.  However ANY game on WiiU could work on the other two minus the game pad (unless you have a Vita and you use the second screen function, which can also be done with a smart phone).  This is why people classify the WiiU as a gen behind in tech.

Oh, how wrong you are.

Where is he wrong?

Do you think the WiiU performance is closer to PS4/XBO than PS3/360 performance?

Do you doubt that a port of any WiiU game would be possible on PS4 or XBO?

 

 

???? why wouldn't a wii u game be possible on ps4 or x1?

He is 100% wrong when saying that wii u is only slightly more powerful than a ps3 or 360, that it's nowhere near ps4 and x1, that wii u couldn't get ps4/x1 ports without major drawbacks, everything. And he even finishes saying that is why people classify wii u as a gen behind in tech. Since those "reasons" aren't true only people with no technological knowladge would think wii u is a gen behind.



 

Zero, just get over it, Wii U is closer to PS3/360 in power than it is to PS4/XB1.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

Thunderbird77 said:

He is 100% wrong when saying that wii u is only slightly more powerful than a ps3 or 360, that it's nowhere near ps4 and x1, that wii u couldn't get ps4/x1 ports without major drawbacks, everything.

PS4 and Xbox One and most PCs all have at least 5 GB RAM available for games, Wii U has 1 GB RAM available for games.

Sorry, but most games for PS4/XBO/PC couldn't get ported to WiiU without major drawbacks... the game engines are scalable, but the scalability ain't infinite. Just reducing the resolution and a few effects wouldn't be enough.





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bigtakilla said:
Miyamotoo said:
bigtakilla said:
Miyamotoo said:



We talked about if Nintendo will make Zelda U like launch title for NX. I think that is almost certain and the whole situation is very similar to TP situation.

I will just copy what I already wrote:

Point is If you make Zelda U NX game too and launch it with NX, use it to promote NX and reverse use NX to promote game, you will definitely have much stronger sales of game than if it's Wii U exclusive. No to mentione being NX launch title very help launch. Its common business sense, basically you have only positive staffs making Zelda U port like NX launch title, you dont have any negative staffs.

Also we already saw this gen how Nintendo promote big games months after launch, do you really think Nintendo would promote Wii U game on release, or maybe relase some sort of DLC months after launch when Wii U already will very dead and whole focus will be on new platform!? Do you really think that for 3 years for now Wii U version of game would sell better, or NX version of game would sell better!? What if Nintendo in some point decide to bundle Zelda U, do you think they will bundle Wii U game with NX!?

Porting of game would cost only few milon's, Nintendo would cover the cost of port basically with around 100k copies more sold with NX port, but reality is that making Zelda U NX launch title would sold few millions more copies than just Wii U version.

 

No negatives huh?

How about pissing off the Wii U owners? Not enough you say, well then how about the fact that if it releases on Wii U first, then months later on the NX we would be looking at it only selling around 1.5 million copies. Yeah, enough to cover development costs but not enough to justify burning bridges with the fans you got left, and we can only really come to that conclusion if we assume the NX is going to appeal to people who are not Nintendo fans, and want the new Zelda despite its continued cel shaded artstyle (look at Windwaker, 1080p with updated soundtrack though still midi and open world). And sure they could bundle the game for NX, but do you think that bundle will sell anywhere near the amount a new Mario bundle, or a Splat2n bundle would sell? Knowing this it comes off less as a "smart business decision" and more as a pointless liability. There are WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY easier ways for Nintendo to get the same amount of money Zelda U on NX would get them. Not entirly sure why people think Nintendo has this mentality that Zelda alone MUST make all this supposed money... Let's face it, Zelda at its best only appeals to about 10 million people.

Now think about a holiday 2016 game release alongside a Wii U bundle (32gb deluxe version) for $200 (major price drop would be imminent due to the NX announcement) with a gold Wii U, and Link Amiibo included. Special edition game also comes with an amiibo and a collectors box (think Windwaker HD special edition but instead of Ganondorf statue included Link amiibo). There are always quite a bit of people who wait for both the right price and bundle to get the console due to getting Wii U games cheap. I'm doing that exact same thing with the PS4. 

Why Wii U owners would be piss!? They will get game in any case, they will get what is promised to them, it not like Nintendo will not release at all Zelda U on Wii U. Same is done with TP when its launched on Wii.

I saying that Zelda U for NX will be released in same time like Zelda U for Wii U, end of 2016. Same like TP was released on GC and Wii. If you think that Zelda U will sell only 1.5m on NX you dont know what you talking about, WW HD port sold more than 1.6 (LT will be around 2m) on Wii U very low instal base, Zelda U on NX in that case would sell at least around 3m.

Nintendo is bundling lotsa games, not just Mario or Splatoon bundle, and you can bet that NX Zelda U bundle at launch would sell very good.

There is non single way that Zelda U on Wii U only would bring same amount of money than Zelda U on Wii U and NX. First you will have game that will be selling on two different platform, second Wii U is almost dead, next home console will be probably be released at end of this year in worst case next year, NX is completely new platform and will be on market around 5 years. Just look sales of TP on GC and Wii, on GC TP sold around 1m on Wii sold around 7m.

 

Biggest difference is that I think NX will be released this year and it will launch title, you dont think that will be NEXT released this year. Even if NX dont arrive this year, I am sure that Zelda U will be ported to NX in any case.

There's no denying a duel release would bring in more numbers, as negligable as they would be. Now answer the question of why they would take time developing it when literally any of their IP would bring in the same numbers as the lower selling release. Star Fox typically brings in more than 1.5 million. Metroid typically brings in twice that.



I really don't understand question. Is a question why Nintendo will would develop any IP that doesn't have huge sales!?

If that is a question, because of diversity of Nintendo games. In any case, Zelda U isnt like any Nintendo IP, it's probably biggest and most expensive Nintendo project, so can't really compared it with any other Nintendo game.



Conina said:
Thunderbird77 said:

He is 100% wrong when saying that wii u is only slightly more powerful than a ps3 or 360, that it's nowhere near ps4 and x1, that wii u couldn't get ps4/x1 ports without major drawbacks, everything.

PS4 and Xbox One and most PCs all have at least 5 GB RAM available for games, Wii U has 1 GB RAM available for games.

Sorry, but most games for PS4/XBO/PC couldn't get ported to WiiU without major drawbacks... the game engines are scalable, but the scalability ain't infinite. Just reducing the resolution and a few effects wouldn't be enough.



Ram memory is more complex than those numbers. ps4/x1 games were ported to machines much less powerful than wii u.





Thunderbird77 said:

Ram memory is more complex than those numbers. ps4/x1 games were ported to machines much less powerful than wii u.



 


The's a point when numbers can't be bypassed.



Miyamotoo said:
bigtakilla said:
Miyamotoo said:
bigtakilla said:
Miyamotoo said:



We talked about if Nintendo will make Zelda U like launch title for NX. I think that is almost certain and the whole situation is very similar to TP situation.

I will just copy what I already wrote:

Point is If you make Zelda U NX game too and launch it with NX, use it to promote NX and reverse use NX to promote game, you will definitely have much stronger sales of game than if it's Wii U exclusive. No to mentione being NX launch title very help launch. Its common business sense, basically you have only positive staffs making Zelda U port like NX launch title, you dont have any negative staffs.

Also we already saw this gen how Nintendo promote big games months after launch, do you really think Nintendo would promote Wii U game on release, or maybe relase some sort of DLC months after launch when Wii U already will very dead and whole focus will be on new platform!? Do you really think that for 3 years for now Wii U version of game would sell better, or NX version of game would sell better!? What if Nintendo in some point decide to bundle Zelda U, do you think they will bundle Wii U game with NX!?

Porting of game would cost only few milon's, Nintendo would cover the cost of port basically with around 100k copies more sold with NX port, but reality is that making Zelda U NX launch title would sold few millions more copies than just Wii U version.

 

No negatives huh?

How about pissing off the Wii U owners? Not enough you say, well then how about the fact that if it releases on Wii U first, then months later on the NX we would be looking at it only selling around 1.5 million copies. Yeah, enough to cover development costs but not enough to justify burning bridges with the fans you got left, and we can only really come to that conclusion if we assume the NX is going to appeal to people who are not Nintendo fans, and want the new Zelda despite its continued cel shaded artstyle (look at Windwaker, 1080p with updated soundtrack though still midi and open world). And sure they could bundle the game for NX, but do you think that bundle will sell anywhere near the amount a new Mario bundle, or a Splat2n bundle would sell? Knowing this it comes off less as a "smart business decision" and more as a pointless liability. There are WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY easier ways for Nintendo to get the same amount of money Zelda U on NX would get them. Not entirly sure why people think Nintendo has this mentality that Zelda alone MUST make all this supposed money... Let's face it, Zelda at its best only appeals to about 10 million people.

Now think about a holiday 2016 game release alongside a Wii U bundle (32gb deluxe version) for $200 (major price drop would be imminent due to the NX announcement) with a gold Wii U, and Link Amiibo included. Special edition game also comes with an amiibo and a collectors box (think Windwaker HD special edition but instead of Ganondorf statue included Link amiibo). There are always quite a bit of people who wait for both the right price and bundle to get the console due to getting Wii U games cheap. I'm doing that exact same thing with the PS4. 

Why Wii U owners would be piss!? They will get game in any case, they will get what is promised to them, it not like Nintendo will not release at all Zelda U on Wii U. Same is done with TP when its launched on Wii.

I saying that Zelda U for NX will be released in same time like Zelda U for Wii U, end of 2016. Same like TP was released on GC and Wii. If you think that Zelda U will sell only 1.5m on NX you dont know what you talking about, WW HD port sold more than 1.6 (LT will be around 2m) on Wii U very low instal base, Zelda U on NX in that case would sell at least around 3m.

Nintendo is bundling lotsa games, not just Mario or Splatoon bundle, and you can bet that NX Zelda U bundle at launch would sell very good.

There is non single way that Zelda U on Wii U only would bring same amount of money than Zelda U on Wii U and NX. First you will have game that will be selling on two different platform, second Wii U is almost dead, next home console will be probably be released at end of this year in worst case next year, NX is completely new platform and will be on market around 5 years. Just look sales of TP on GC and Wii, on GC TP sold around 1m on Wii sold around 7m.

 

Biggest difference is that I think NX will be released this year and it will launch title, you dont think that will be NEXT released this year. Even if NX dont arrive this year, I am sure that Zelda U will be ported to NX in any case.

There's no denying a duel release would bring in more numbers, as negligable as they would be. Now answer the question of why they would take time developing it when literally any of their IP would bring in the same numbers as the lower selling release. Star Fox typically brings in more than 1.5 million. Metroid typically brings in twice that.



I really don't understand question. Is a question why Nintendo will would develop any IP that doesn't have huge sales!?

If that is a question, because of diversity of Nintendo games. In any case, Zelda U isnt like any Nintendo IP, it's probably biggest and most expensive Nintendo project, so can't really compared it with any other Nintendo game.

 

The question is why delay a game and develop it cross gen when it will not really move any consoles or sell all that well when they have IP they should be working on that will delever far more on a profits level.

Because its big and expensive doesn't really answer that.... Like at all.



bigtakilla said:
Miyamotoo said:
bigtakilla said:
Miyamotoo said:
bigtakilla said:
Miyamotoo said:



We talked about if Nintendo will make Zelda U like launch title for NX. I think that is almost certain and the whole situation is very similar to TP situation.

I will just copy what I already wrote:

Point is If you make Zelda U NX game too and launch it with NX, use it to promote NX and reverse use NX to promote game, you will definitely have much stronger sales of game than if it's Wii U exclusive. No to mentione being NX launch title very help launch. Its common business sense, basically you have only positive staffs making Zelda U port like NX launch title, you dont have any negative staffs.

Also we already saw this gen how Nintendo promote big games months after launch, do you really think Nintendo would promote Wii U game on release, or maybe relase some sort of DLC months after launch when Wii U already will very dead and whole focus will be on new platform!? Do you really think that for 3 years for now Wii U version of game would sell better, or NX version of game would sell better!? What if Nintendo in some point decide to bundle Zelda U, do you think they will bundle Wii U game with NX!?

Porting of game would cost only few milon's, Nintendo would cover the cost of port basically with around 100k copies more sold with NX port, but reality is that making Zelda U NX launch title would sold few millions more copies than just Wii U version.

 

No negatives huh?

How about pissing off the Wii U owners? Not enough you say, well then how about the fact that if it releases on Wii U first, then months later on the NX we would be looking at it only selling around 1.5 million copies. Yeah, enough to cover development costs but not enough to justify burning bridges with the fans you got left, and we can only really come to that conclusion if we assume the NX is going to appeal to people who are not Nintendo fans, and want the new Zelda despite its continued cel shaded artstyle (look at Windwaker, 1080p with updated soundtrack though still midi and open world). And sure they could bundle the game for NX, but do you think that bundle will sell anywhere near the amount a new Mario bundle, or a Splat2n bundle would sell? Knowing this it comes off less as a "smart business decision" and more as a pointless liability. There are WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY easier ways for Nintendo to get the same amount of money Zelda U on NX would get them. Not entirly sure why people think Nintendo has this mentality that Zelda alone MUST make all this supposed money... Let's face it, Zelda at its best only appeals to about 10 million people.

Now think about a holiday 2016 game release alongside a Wii U bundle (32gb deluxe version) for $200 (major price drop would be imminent due to the NX announcement) with a gold Wii U, and Link Amiibo included. Special edition game also comes with an amiibo and a collectors box (think Windwaker HD special edition but instead of Ganondorf statue included Link amiibo). There are always quite a bit of people who wait for both the right price and bundle to get the console due to getting Wii U games cheap. I'm doing that exact same thing with the PS4. 

Why Wii U owners would be piss!? They will get game in any case, they will get what is promised to them, it not like Nintendo will not release at all Zelda U on Wii U. Same is done with TP when its launched on Wii.

I saying that Zelda U for NX will be released in same time like Zelda U for Wii U, end of 2016. Same like TP was released on GC and Wii. If you think that Zelda U will sell only 1.5m on NX you dont know what you talking about, WW HD port sold more than 1.6 (LT will be around 2m) on Wii U very low instal base, Zelda U on NX in that case would sell at least around 3m.

Nintendo is bundling lotsa games, not just Mario or Splatoon bundle, and you can bet that NX Zelda U bundle at launch would sell very good.

There is non single way that Zelda U on Wii U only would bring same amount of money than Zelda U on Wii U and NX. First you will have game that will be selling on two different platform, second Wii U is almost dead, next home console will be probably be released at end of this year in worst case next year, NX is completely new platform and will be on market around 5 years. Just look sales of TP on GC and Wii, on GC TP sold around 1m on Wii sold around 7m.

 

Biggest difference is that I think NX will be released this year and it will launch title, you dont think that will be NEXT released this year. Even if NX dont arrive this year, I am sure that Zelda U will be ported to NX in any case.

There's no denying a duel release would bring in more numbers, as negligable as they would be. Now answer the question of why they would take time developing it when literally any of their IP would bring in the same numbers as the lower selling release. Star Fox typically brings in more than 1.5 million. Metroid typically brings in twice that.



I really don't understand question. Is a question why Nintendo will would develop any IP that doesn't have huge sales!?

If that is a question, because of diversity of Nintendo games. In any case, Zelda U isnt like any Nintendo IP, it's probably biggest and most expensive Nintendo project, so can't really compared it with any other Nintendo game.

 

The question is why delay a game and develop it cross gen when it will not really move any consoles or sell all that well when they have IP they should be working on that will delever far more on a profits level.

Because its big and expensive doesn't really answer that.... Like at all.

I suppose we still talking about Zelda U, like I wrote making Zelda U like NX launch title will have huge effect on NX launch and console itself, definitely will move some consoles, and game itself will sell much better than on Wii U alone. Also just porting game from one platform to onother is nothing nearly similar to making completly new game, simple port could be done if few monts with few milions. Zelda U is delayed for whole year, you can bet they will improve and polish game in that time and in same time they will ported on NX.