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Azuren said:
champybh said:
Azuren said:

I think the point he was making is that it's hard to feel sorry for someone who intentionally puts herself in that situation. 



 

I'm not comfortable with that justification. Just because someone decides to drink doesn't mean we should blame the victim for having a fun night. Rather than saying "well she should have known better" we should all be focusing our energy on the attacker in these situations. 

 

As an aside, wtf is with the title of this thread. Come on with the baiting - I'm easily trolled, don't get me all riled up 

Having a good time is one thing. But to inebriate yourself around others who are inebriated is to put yourself at risk. You can't drive drunk and get mad when you crash. 

 

false equivalencies 



A_C_E said:
Azuren said:

1. Most violence is committed by a man against a man.

2. Most verbal/mental abuse is committed by a woman against a woman.

3. Most rapists are men, but women forget that most men aren't rapists.

The problem is modern feminists get all three of these fudged. They believe that the smaller number of violent actions against women has a larger priority than the larger number against men. They believe that only men verbally and mentally abuse women, when it is almost exclusively amongst themselves. And they, of course, accuse all men of potentially being rapists despite common sense dictating that the rapist:man ratio is so insane that statistically speak they have no right to make such accusations.

1. Correct

2. Correct

3. Correct, but I'm pretty positive that most women don't view most men as rapists, unless you have data to prove otherwise. I point this out because judging from your earlier posts you seem to just generalize a population with no data to back it up.

But feminists don't get those first 2 stats fudged. It's just that those stats are not the sociological problem they are focussing on. Their focus is on male-female interactions and not just in relation to violence and abuse, but also in relation to social and economic status. In terms of violence and abuse its about the fact that in the overwhelming majority of inter-sex violence and sexual violence the woman / girl is the victim, in the case of verbal abuse women are more often the victim too. There is no indication that feminists deny that male-male violence isn't relevant in regard to the overall prevalence of violence in society, or that women being verbally abusive to women is all harmless banter. It's just not the job of the feminist movement to address those issues directly. 

And as you say, few / no feminists think all men are rapists. But I think that one of the first things that will come into a woman's mind if she is alone on an empty the street and she sees a man walking towards her is "is this guy going to try to rape me." And it's the notion that this is a very prevalent thought in women's minds under such circumstances that leads to the "all men are rapists" concept. It's not a true statement when taken at literal face value, and it's not spoken as a true statement in that way, it is spoken as a contextual thought process.





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A_C_E said:
Azuren said:

1. Most violence is committed by a man against a man.

2. Most verbal/mental abuse is committed by a woman against a woman.

3. Most rapists are men, but women forget that most men aren't rapists.

The problem is modern feminists get all three of these fudged. They believe that the smaller number of violent actions against women has a larger priority than the larger number against men. They believe that only men verbally and mentally abuse women, when it is almost exclusively amongst themselves. And they, of course, accuse all men of potentially being rapists despite common sense dictating that the rapist:man ratio is so insane that statistically speak they have no right to make such accusations.

1. Correct

2. Correct

3. Correct, but I'm pretty positive that most women don't view most men as rapists, unless you have data to prove otherwise. I point this out because judging from your earlier posts you seem to just generalize a population with no data to back it up.

 

Right, my bad, I meant to put Feminist, but I got carried away with all the gender pronouns. 



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Emperorbach said:
Azuren said:
champybh said:
Azuren said:

I think the point he was making is that it's hard to feel sorry for someone who intentionally puts herself in that situation. 



 

I'm not comfortable with that justification. Just because someone decides to drink doesn't mean we should blame the victim for having a fun night. Rather than saying "well she should have known better" we should all be focusing our energy on the attacker in these situations. 

 

As an aside, wtf is with the title of this thread. Come on with the baiting - I'm easily trolled, don't get me all riled up 

Having a good time is one thing. But to inebriate yourself around others who are inebriated is to put yourself at risk. You can't drive drunk and get mad when you crash. 

 

false equivalencies 

Except it's not, because all dumb actions have consequences.

If you're an attractive girl, don't go to parties alone and drink so much you can't properly say no, and also know to leave when others start to stop accepting no as an answer. And even then, understand that going to this party in the first place runs an infinitely higher risk of getting raped instead of just hanging out with friends.



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Thunderbird77 said:

Can't believe there are still ignorant people spreading that feminism = man hating. man hating = femism.

 

Yes. They don't hate men, they just hate white men. There's a big difference. In western feministic narrative, it is white men and female all colours but white that you should spit on, because some people are more equal than others. And, sadly, this was no joke.



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Emperorbach said:
Azuren said:
champybh said:
Azuren said:

I think the point he was making is that it's hard to feel sorry for someone who intentionally puts herself in that situation. 



 

I'm not comfortable with that justification. Just because someone decides to drink doesn't mean we should blame the victim for having a fun night. Rather than saying "well she should have known better" we should all be focusing our energy on the attacker in these situations. 

 

As an aside, wtf is with the title of this thread. Come on with the baiting - I'm easily trolled, don't get me all riled up 

Having a good time is one thing. But to inebriate yourself around others who are inebriated is to put yourself at risk. You can't drive drunk and get mad when you crash. 

 

false equivalencies 

Worse than that. That was drawing a parallel between a self-inflicted harm (crashing while driving drunk) and being the victim of a heinous crime. It's a vile and disgusting comparison.

The problem is we should be aiming to live in a society where someone who has drunken or drugged themselves into almost total incapacity is guranteed to be safe from any criminal interefereance. Yet those who say there is some fault on the part of the victim in these situations seem to be saying that they are quite fine with a society where safety can't be assumed and so one cannot hold the violator to be 100% responsible for any act of violence rape or abuse of someone who is too drunk / drugged to be able to defend herself or even say no.





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binary solo said:

Worse than that. That was drawing a parallel between a self-inflicted harm (crashing while driving drunk) and being the victim of a heinous crime. It's a vile and disgusting comparison.

The problem is we should be aiming to live in a society where someone who has drunken or drugged themselves into almost total incapacity is guranteed to be safe from any criminal interefereance. Yet those who say there is some fault on the part of the victim in these situations seem to be saying that they are quite fine with a society where safety can't be assumed and so one cannot hold the violator to be 100% responsible for any act of violence rape or abuse of someone who is too drunk / drugged to be able to defend herself or even say no.



This is a joke right?





binary solo said:
Emperorbach said:

 

false equivalencies 

Worse than that. That was drawing a parallel between a self-inflicted harm (crashing while driving drunk) and being the victim of a heinous crime. It's a vile and disgusting comparison.

The problem is we should be aiming to live in a society where someone who has drunken or drugged themselves into almost total incapacity is guranteed to be safe from any criminal interefereance. Yet those who say there is some fault on the part of the victim in these situations seem to be saying that they are quite fine with a society where safety can't be assumed and so one cannot hold the violator to be 100% responsible for any act of violence rape or abuse of someone who is too drunk / drugged to be able to defend herself or even say no.



Ha.

 

Driving drunk isn't self-harm, it's putting oneself in harm's way. Just like being an attractive and drunk teenage girl around a bunch of drunk teenage boys.





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