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Emperorbach said:
Azuren said:
champybh said:
Azuren said:

I think the point he was making is that it's hard to feel sorry for someone who intentionally puts herself in that situation. 



 

I'm not comfortable with that justification. Just because someone decides to drink doesn't mean we should blame the victim for having a fun night. Rather than saying "well she should have known better" we should all be focusing our energy on the attacker in these situations. 

 

As an aside, wtf is with the title of this thread. Come on with the baiting - I'm easily trolled, don't get me all riled up 

Having a good time is one thing. But to inebriate yourself around others who are inebriated is to put yourself at risk. You can't drive drunk and get mad when you crash. 

 

false equivalencies 

Worse than that. That was drawing a parallel between a self-inflicted harm (crashing while driving drunk) and being the victim of a heinous crime. It's a vile and disgusting comparison.

The problem is we should be aiming to live in a society where someone who has drunken or drugged themselves into almost total incapacity is guranteed to be safe from any criminal interefereance. Yet those who say there is some fault on the part of the victim in these situations seem to be saying that they are quite fine with a society where safety can't be assumed and so one cannot hold the violator to be 100% responsible for any act of violence rape or abuse of someone who is too drunk / drugged to be able to defend herself or even say no.





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