there was a Wii SPorts game, Club. How was NSMB Wii U recycled? how is it anymore reclyed than any NSMB game that was released after the original DS one? Metroid Prime? its not like the last one did gangbusters or push console sales. People here really have a high a opinion of that series its not a system mover. 3 sold less than the original and .45 mil than 2 on an install base thats 5 times more than GC. its hardly a loss in the grand scheme of things. as for 3d world IMHO i think that game would have beneffited from a bigger audience, but i might have to concede that point but even then, has 3d Mario been a huge system mover since 64? DKTF your opinion. Everything else is your opinion. I am of the opinion that most of the follow ups have been better. is MK8 not better than MKWii? is the newer Smash Bros. not better than Brawl? and those are the big guns. 

I can see your point. I still have to get one (PS4 was my priority), but you are right outside of the first parties there aint that much. BUT imho it wasnt that much different than the Wii situation, at least for me. I never cared about those Wiigames as i always thought they were meh at best. More shovelware wouldnt have gauranted better games. It would have sent a message that the system is getting support so maybe it would've been better than nothing

Off the top of my head, in terms of regular franchises that the Wii had that the Wii U did not have - Animal Crossing (a real one), Metroid, Punch-Out, Fire Emblem, Paper Mario, Excitebike, Wario, a new mainline Zelda (still hasn't released) and I'll throw in Endless Ocean even though it's not a regular franchise because I kind of liked that series and would love to see one in HD. 

Then again the Wii didn't have entries from Yoshi, Star Fox and Pikmin and both are missing the regular entries from Nintendo's handhelds.  Just goes to show that a unified library would make the NX a hell of a system.  Along with that, if there's a handheld/console version of the NX and the handheld version is priced well, it would make the perfect companion/secondary console for PS4/xbox one/gaming PC owners.

thats kinda my point, did it really lack anything more than WIi, it seems a lot of Ninty home consoles miss stuff now and them. N64 didnt have a Metroid. BUT at the end of the day these systems end up getting the important titles, the big HW movers, which Wii U didnt really miss out on (maybe a 'true' 3d Mario whatever that means.)

Im all about a unified console, im just saying that the games that Wii u were missing werent really going to change its faith that much, the games that people really care about have already been released sans Zelda

Look, Nintendo is still a mammoth when it comes to software.

If they fail in hardware, no problem. They can get RICH(and I mean FILTHY RICH) by making games for PC, Xbone, and PS4.

A lot of my post was a more of a general response to the OP.

Still nobody wants Nintendo to make losses for years, investors especially.  But I think people who are more invested in Nintendo for a longer term are willing to give Kimishima a chance to move forward during this transition period. That is as long as they see progress. They too know a healthy Nintendo is a profitable Nintendo.

What you said about short term investors caring more about fluctuations in stock price is true.  What you said about how much the company makes/losses not mattering to short term is not true though because that is somewhat reflected in the stock price.

Short term investors not caring about longer term plans and forecasts is why I think they can be fickle and look for easy answers.  And even though longer term investors are rewarded with dividends as modest and small bonus for owning the stock, with Nintendo that’s not the main reason to own it either.  

If Nintendo was completely out of the console business (which will not happen!) then it would be a massive blow to the industry but I'm sure they would do just fine in the mobile sector and could possibly become a 3Rd part developer, that would be so good to see classics on PlayStation and xbox, would love to see the classics on my ps4 with trophy support

Wii Sports Club is HD remake of Wii Sports, each sport released one by one as DLC. All NSMB iterations are recycled ever since the first. NSMBW had a free pass because of multiplayer and being the first 2D Mario on home consoles after nearly two decades. NSMBU and NSMB2 have this perception of being HD and 3D remakes.

Metroid isn't a huge seller, but if you make a console that focuses on single player, you need single player games. Metroid Prime game would be solid single player experience in any case, and this is why SMG3 had been much better game for Wii U than 3DW was. It's not just about the games, but who you're selling it to.

Mario Kart Wii is better game than Mario Kart 8 in pretty much everything. Only graphics and being able to choose freely your vehicle in battle mode is where MK8 beats MKW. As for Smash Bros, I have the 3DS version, and there's one thing where Brawl blows it's successor out of the water; Subspace Emissary, that effectively makes Brawl also a great single player game.

DKC, I haven't ever heard anyone like ice worlds in games, which is why nobody makes games about ice worlds. What were they thinking.

Wii had lots of great games, even if the third parties were just half-assed, and while nobody buys consoles because of shovelware, shovelware is an indication of healthy game sales. And when game sales are healthy, games just keep coming.

What did the "hardcore" kept saying is how Wii should be HD, how Wii should be more powerful than PS3, how Wii should return to dual analog controller, how Nintendo should ditch the friendcodes. The solution? Wii U. Keep in mind that when Wii U came out, PS4 and X1 weren't on the market. It should've been fairly easy to port PS360 games on Wii U.

Wii U could have one controller per console, because the "hardcore" play single player games, mostly online.

Of course the controller is better. If your arguments of something being better is based on system power and having more features, then yes, the Wii U controller must be superior. It has everything the competitors have and even more features. It's a 3D motion-detective dual-analog controller with interactive screen in the middle. It does make the PS/XB classic model dual analog controller obsolete - even objectively speaking. Wii Remote wasn't designed to be a better controller, but different, whereas Wii U gamepad is just made better.

In that case, ok.

Profit or losses have indirect effect on stock price, it's not uncommon at all for a stock price to drop when a company makes record-breaking profit, while record losses can still have the price to go up - it's a matter of market expectations. Downsizing and sacking a quarter of your staff may also have the share to skyrocket - even if it means a quarter drop in your revenue.

The thing with Nintendo is, that it has been a company with high profitability and steady stream of dividends for the last decades, making it a good long term investment for retirement funds and all the like. If there's no dividents, the funds have no reason to own the stock and they should monetise it. In the case of monetising, the short term price has to go up, it could mean going third party. 

Then I would personally want Nintendo to go third party. But I don't want their franchises to get split between Playstation and Xbox (example: Fire Emblem exclusive for PS5 and Metroid exclusive to Xbox Two). A dream would be that they team up with Microsoft and release their games only on Xbox. Then I can play Halo and Metroid on the same console. :D

Third party and peripherals.