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Are you ok with killing the Wii U so early?

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CaptainExplosion said:
Soundwave said:
AEGRO said:
If i were a Wii U user, i would be fucking mad that my console is going to the slaughter house in less than 4 years since its release.

There is no other way around it for me. I firmly believe in long generations. It is better for the consumer, for the developer and the console maker.

If Nintendo keeps doing this 0.5 gens, i dont see how they will be competitive in this game. Unless they are fine with sub-20m consoles like the Wii U, because people are not going to support it nor developers.

What half gens?

You guys got 6 years last time for the Wii. Every other Nintendo console has gotten 5 years. This one is 4. 

A half generation is 2.5 years of support. 

If anything this just evens out the Wii being a year longer than it should have been. 

And long generations aren't that great either, it means you are stuck playing games on outdated technology for longer. The industry isn't a bunch of 10-year-old boys any longer that needs mommy/daddy to buy them every new console, a lot of people would be willing to embrace a different model IMO. 

Nintendo game experiences have always gotten better with better hardware unless you're going to sit there with a straight face and say Splatoon and Bayonetta 2 and so on would have been better on the original Wii. So why be afraid of something that's ultimately good for the player? 

Four years still feels like too little. That's what happened with the Saturn/Dreamcast transition, and why consumers fell out of love with Sega. Do you want that to happen with Nintendo?

 

Is there a reason that u are ignoring the Master System, Gameboy Advance & Xbox which all had 4 years or less and had successors go on to being each companies biggest success ever?

Also the Dreamcast had a record launch and was discontinued only because of Sega's financial situation which caused them to no longer have the money to support it.



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What half gens?

You guys got 6 years last time for the Wii. Every other Nintendo console has gotten 5 years. This one is 4. 

A half generation is 2.5 years of support. 

If anything this just evens out the Wii being a year longer than it should have been. 

And long generations aren't that great either, it means you are stuck playing games on outdated technology for longer. The industry isn't a bunch of 10-year-old boys any longer that needs mommy/daddy to buy them every new console, a lot of people would be willing to embrace a different model IMO. 

Nintendo game experiences have always gotten better with better hardware unless you're going to sit there with a straight face and say Splatoon and Bayonetta 2 and so on would have been better on the original Wii. So why be afraid of something that's ultimately good for the player? 

The Wii was a 0.5 gen because it was a beefed up Gamecube regardless of the time of its release.

Im not one of the "you guys" as i said, i dont own a Wii U.

It doesnt even anything, the consumer doesnt have to be complacent to Nintendo. They are the ones who HAVE to support the console while it still alive.

AAA games take longer than before to develop, you cant compare the scope of games like Uncharted 4 with other A or even AA games. Proper AAA games take from 3 to 5 years to develop. That means that small studios will release one game per gen, does that make sense for you?

Its funny how people cry and moan because with each passing generation the changes are less and less evident. If you pretend that the Ps5 will looke leagues better than the Ps4, well...guess again. It wont. You better buy a PC, and even then multiplats are held down by consoles. 

As i said, Splatoon and Bayonetta 2 couldnt be possible on the Wii because (common sense) the console was a beefed up Gamecube. That means that you were stuck on the 6th gen for a decade where all the consoles jumped to HD. Same case with the Wii U, it is a beefed up Ps3.

That is what i mean with a 0.5 gen. 

Why settle with a company that treats its users like shit? THAT is the question.



CaptainExplosion said:
Splatoon certainly hasn't been limited by hardware.

No? Splatoon is closing in 4m units sold on a 12-13m people. That is at least around 1/3 of WiiU's owners buying the game. Now, imagine that the game was released on a device closer to 60-70m (WiiU+3DS) while keeping most of that attach ratio (instead of 1/3, lets say 1/5). That means numbers closer to 12-14m units sold. People with 3DS only also are interested in the game, and that goes for all WiiU exclusive titles too. The entire WiiU library has been restrained by the limited userbase.



You know it deserves the GOTY.

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CaptainExplosion said:
zorg1000 said:
CaptainExplosion said:
Soundwave said:
AEGRO said:
If i were a Wii U user, i would be fucking mad that my console is going to the slaughter house in less than 4 years since its release.

There is no other way around it for me. I firmly believe in long generations. It is better for the consumer, for the developer and the console maker.

If Nintendo keeps doing this 0.5 gens, i dont see how they will be competitive in this game. Unless they are fine with sub-20m consoles like the Wii U, because people are not going to support it nor developers.

What half gens?

You guys got 6 years last time for the Wii. Every other Nintendo console has gotten 5 years. This one is 4. 

A half generation is 2.5 years of support. 

If anything this just evens out the Wii being a year longer than it should have been. 

And long generations aren't that great either, it means you are stuck playing games on outdated technology for longer. The industry isn't a bunch of 10-year-old boys any longer that needs mommy/daddy to buy them every new console, a lot of people would be willing to embrace a different model IMO. 

Nintendo game experiences have always gotten better with better hardware unless you're going to sit there with a straight face and say Splatoon and Bayonetta 2 and so on would have been better on the original Wii. So why be afraid of something that's ultimately good for the player? 

Four years still feels like too little. That's what happened with the Saturn/Dreamcast transition, and why consumers fell out of love with Sega. Do you want that to happen with Nintendo?

 

Is there a reason that u are ignoring the Master System, Gameboy Advance & Xbox which all had 4 years or less and had successors go on to being each companies biggest success ever?

Also the Dreamcast had a record launch and was discontinued only because of Sega's financial situation which caused them to no longer have the money to support it.

Yes, there is; No Nintendo CONSOLE had only 4 years before it's successor. Just becaus it worked with the Genesis, DS and Xbox 360 doesn't mean it can happen a fourth time. Nintendo wouldn't have that kind of luck. -_-

 

It goes both ways, it never happened before so u have no idea if it will or won't work. Remember ur the one saying it won't work, I'm not saying it will work, just that it can if executed properly.



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CaptainExplosion said:
zorg1000 said:
CaptainExplosion said:
zorg1000 said:
CaptainExplosion said:
Soundwave said:
AEGRO said:
If i were a Wii U user, i would be fucking mad that my console is going to the slaughter house in less than 4 years since its release.

There is no other way around it for me. I firmly believe in long generations. It is better for the consumer, for the developer and the console maker.

If Nintendo keeps doing this 0.5 gens, i dont see how they will be competitive in this game. Unless they are fine with sub-20m consoles like the Wii U, because people are not going to support it nor developers.

What half gens?

You guys got 6 years last time for the Wii. Every other Nintendo console has gotten 5 years. This one is 4. 

A half generation is 2.5 years of support. 

If anything this just evens out the Wii being a year longer than it should have been. 

And long generations aren't that great either, it means you are stuck playing games on outdated technology for longer. The industry isn't a bunch of 10-year-old boys any longer that needs mommy/daddy to buy them every new console, a lot of people would be willing to embrace a different model IMO. 

Nintendo game experiences have always gotten better with better hardware unless you're going to sit there with a straight face and say Splatoon and Bayonetta 2 and so on would have been better on the original Wii. So why be afraid of something that's ultimately good for the player? 

Four years still feels like too little. That's what happened with the Saturn/Dreamcast transition, and why consumers fell out of love with Sega. Do you want that to happen with Nintendo?

 

Is there a reason that u are ignoring the Master System, Gameboy Advance & Xbox which all had 4 years or less and had successors go on to being each companies biggest success ever?

Also the Dreamcast had a record launch and was discontinued only because of Sega's financial situation which caused them to no longer have the money to support it.

Yes, there is; No Nintendo CONSOLE had only 4 years before it's successor. Just becaus it worked with the Genesis, DS and Xbox 360 doesn't mean it can happen a fourth time. Nintendo wouldn't have that kind of luck. -_-

 

It goes both ways, it never happened before so u have no idea if it will or won't work. Remember ur the one saying it won't work, I'm not saying it will work, just that it can if executed properly.

But what do we do to make sure it IS executed properly? It's not like Amiibo, Mario Maker, Mario Kart, Splatoon, Pokemon and Smash Bros. are STILL keeping Nintendo in black.

What do u mean, what do we do? We have no input on how Nintendo executes it. All I'm saying is we have 3 examples that show releasing a successor in 4 years or less does not mean it won't be a success.





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Because Nintendo gave us our childhood. Us being a crowd that cared about gameplay instead of graphics, and still cared about games that were seen as "meant for kids", especially when shitty games for adults came around (Looking at you, Call of Duty series), and aren't part of the obnoxious dudebro crowd.

Then why the need of a new console?

The Wii U is more than capable for Nintendo games.

Nintendo missteps wont be solved by releasing a new console. 

Nintendo will be Nintendo regardless of the device.

I dont know why people have this mentality that the NX will be the savior of the company, when the suits are the ones fucking things up.

If i were a Wii U user, i would like to see some changes from Nintendo before even think about owning another console by them.

I also grew up with Nintendo bro, i had the NES, SNES, N64 and the Wii. But there comes a time that enough is enough. I got sick with the way that they do business. It is not consumer friendly.





AEGRO said:

Because Nintendo gave us our childhood. Us being a crowd that cared about gameplay instead of graphics, and still cared about games that were seen as "meant for kids", especially when shitty games for adults came around (Looking at you, Call of Duty series), and aren't part of the obnoxious dudebro crowd.

Then why the need of a new console?

The Wii U is more than capable for Nintendo games.

Nintendo missteps wont be solved by releasing a new console. 

Nintendo will be Nintendo regardless of the device.

I dont know why people have this mentality that the NX will be the savior of the company, when the suits are the ones fucking things up.

If i were a Wii U user, i would like to see some changes from Nintendo before even think about owning another console by them.

I also grew up with Nintendo bro, i had the NES, SNES, N64 and the Wii. But there comes a time that enough is enough. I got sick with the way that they do business. It is not consumer friendly.



 

Yes, Wii U level graphics are fine, the problem is that Nintendo cannot adequately support 2 separate platforms which causes both platforms to receive droughts (Wii U more so than 3DS, as 3DS still gets solid Japanese support).

That's why so many of us on this site are fans of the unified platform idea, where it's one platform available in different from factors that share a software library. Wii U is missing out on things like Animal Crossing, Luigi's Mansion, Kid Icarus, Pokémon, etc. and 3DS is missing out on things like Splatoon, Mario Maker, Xenoblade X, Nintendo Land, etc.

We also see a lot of redundant titles because of this. In 2013/2014, 3DS received Donkey Kong, Mario Party, Kirby, Yoshi games then in 2014/2015, Wii U received Donkey Kong, Mario Party, Kirby, Yoshi games. With a unified concept this is no longer necessary, Arzest developed the 3DS Yoshi, while Good Feel developed the Wii U Yoshi, instead one of them could have made a Yoshi game while the other made something completely different, either a new IP or the return of an older IP not used in awhile, like Wario Land for example.

The same applies for other developers like the team behind Mario Kart, they would no longer need to release a Mario Kart for one device then 3 or so years later release another Mario Kart for the other device. Instead they can release one Mario Kart, support it with DLC for a year or two then move on and make a completely different game, maybe a new IP like they did with Nintendogs back in the day or perhaps revive F-Zero.

Then on top of that we would also likely see the unification of 3DS & Wii U 3rd party support. Strong Japanese support+strong indie support+strong kid/family friendly support, and if it can get at least the mainstream western support that Wii U received in its first year (select core titles from EA/Ubi/Acti/WB) than that would make for a very software rich platform.

A setup like this would benefit Nintendo & consumers in many ways and I think it could fix a lot of their problems as long as it's executed well, offered at an acceptable price point and has a strong marketing campaign.



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Lucas-Rio said:
RolStoppable said:
Lucas-Rio said:
RolStoppable said:
Anyone who remembers the GC's fifth year will be happy that the Wii U is done after four years.

The problem is that Wii U 's fourth year  will be like the GC fifth year.  The Gamecube was also killed early but for a reason, the Gamecube was itself a late release compared to the PS2 and had massively suffered from that.

The Wii released in time with the PS3.... The Wii U released one year before the other consoles. Not the same situation at all.

Consoles lifes are expanding toward 7-8 years, and Nintendo is the exception, with the Wii U lasting only 4  years, with only 3 years of support.

Wii U's fourth year will have a lot more games than the GC in its fifth year, thanks to the arrival of digital games. The Wii U is Nintendo's worst-selling home console, so that's a pretty good reason to end its lifecycle.

If the Wii U had two more years and a true price drop, it could have reached gamecube levels.

They released a console at premium price and now they are burrying it.  There is nothing next year except Zelda (potential multi platform with NX) and Starfox.

I bought the Wii U at MK8 release but for the NX I may wait longer if they don't kill the system 6 months after. In my opinion Nintendo should have assumed the Wii U 1-2 years more.



If Nintendo leaves the Wii U on the market as it's primary focus for two more years just to tie GameCube lifetime sales, then it would have a record number of shareholders in that time frame (zero) and miss out on so much revenue, with the 3DS having reached its saturation point and on a downward trend.



 

 

Yes, Wii U level graphics are fine, the problem is that Nintendo cannot adequately support 2 separate platforms which causes both platforms to receive droughts (Wii U more so than 3DS, as 3DS still gets solid Japanese support).

That's why so many of us on this site are fans of the unified platform idea, where it's one platform available in different from factors that share a software library. Wii U is missing out on things like Animal Crossing, Luigi's Mansion, Kid Icarus, Pokémon, etc. and 3DS is missing out on things like Splatoon, Mario Maker, Xenoblade X, Nintendo Land, etc.

We also see a lot of redundant titles because of this. In 2013/2014, 3DS received Donkey Kong, Mario Party, Kirby, Yoshi games then in 2014/2015, Wii U received Donkey Kong, Mario Party, Kirby, Yoshi games. With a unified concept this is no longer necessary, Arzest developed the 3DS Yoshi, while Good Feel developed the Wii U Yoshi, instead one of them could have made a Yoshi game while the other made something completely different, either a new IP or the return of an older IP not used in awhile, like Wario Land for example.

The same applies for other developers like the team behind Mario Kart, they would no longer need to release a Mario Kart for one device then 3 or so years later release another Mario Kart for the other device. Instead they can release one Mario Kart, support it with DLC for a year or two then move on and make a completely different game, maybe a new IP like they did with Nintendogs back in the day or perhaps revive F-Zero.

Then on top of that we would also likely see the unification of 3DS & Wii U 3rd party support. Strong Japanese support+strong indie support+strong kid/family friendly support, and if it can get at least the mainstream western support that Wii U received in its first year (select core titles from EA/Ubi/Acti/WB) than that would make for a very software rich platform.

A setup like this would benefit Nintendo & consumers in many ways and I think it could fix a lot of their problems as long as it's executed well, offered at an acceptable price point and has a strong marketing campaign.

This is actually a great point. 

If done well, i would definitely support that.





Its not that people want the Wii U dead its that we want more games.



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