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Is Faith Reasonable?

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JRPGfan said:
JWeinCom said:

I'll clear it up for you.

Anything that the bible says that does not conform to reality as we know it is therefore a metaphor, parable, etc.  So, if you find any way in which the bible contradicts science, that means you're interpreting it wrong, because the bible cannot be wrong :-/

Thought I'd just save you the trouble.

Thats just it... almost all of it is. No one actually thinks the universe was created in 7days.... that doesnt mean it couldnt be how a smarter being would discribe 7 differnt phases or passages of time it took, to a human.

The only things in the bible thats actually from god are the 10 commandments, everything else not so much, just storys writen down by man.

Or so Ive always been led to believe.



 

God made a lot more laws then the ten commandments.  If you believe that those are directly from god, I'm not sure why you think everything else the book claims god said or did doesn't count.

But, people at one time did believe it took seven days, and there are still peope who believe in a young earth, and Noah's ark.  And there are still tons and tons of people who believe that Jesus literally rose from the dead.

These things used to be taken at face value, but as science has gotten better and better, things that are impossible have been written off as metaphor.  And, if you want to read the bible as a metaphorical book, then fine.  But, there are MANY people who suggest that we, and our government, should take certain parts of the bible VERY literally, and live our lives and base our laws around it. 



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JRPGfan said:

Your thinking littarly in his image means god looks like us? sorry but no.

It could mean any number of things like we have free will, we re carbon based, we enjoy the same things. Maybe its that we have 2legs,2arms,ahead ect.

(and those things could be true for many life forms in the universe)

I think its silly to think god should looks like us.

I don't think he does look like us, male or female, I don't believe he exists. I'm repeating what I have heard from religious people since I was a kid. I don't really understand your logic, so I don't know what to answer, I respect what you think but I don't have the same view





JWeinCom said:
JRPGfan said:

Thats just it... almost all of it is. No one actually thinks the universe was created in 7days.... that doesnt mean it couldnt be how a smarter being would discribe 7 differnt phases or passages of time it took, to a human.

The only things in the bible thats actually from god are the 10 commandments, everything else not so much, just storys writen down by man.

Or so Ive always been led to believe.

God made a lot more laws then the ten commandments.  If you believe that those are directly from god, I'm not sure why you think everything else the book claims god said or did doesn't count.

But, people at one time did believe it took seven days, and there are still peope who believe in a young earth, and Noah's ark.  And there are still tons and tons of people who believe that Jesus literally rose from the dead.

These things used to be taken at face value, but as science has gotten better and better, things that are impossible have been written off as metaphor.  And, if you want to read the bible as a metaphorical book, then fine.  But, there are MANY people who suggest that we, and our government, should take certain parts of the bible VERY literally, and live our lives and base our laws around it. 

Protestantism... basically all my life Ive been told the only thing that counts to any degree at all is whats in the new testiment.

The storys about jesus's teachings, nothing else is real. And even that is just accounts of storys about jesus life, written down by man.

Its open to interpretations.

The only thing thats from god are the 10 commandments (so Ive been told anyways).





JWeinCom said:

I'll clear it up for you.


Anything that the bible says that does not conform to reality as we know it is therefore a metaphor, parable, etc.  So, if you find any way in which the bible contradicts science, that means you're interpreting it wrong, because the bible cannot be wrong :-/

Thought I'd just save you the trouble.

Thanks, I'm already used to it, but you can't never know :^)





leyendax69 said:
JWeinCom said:

I'll clear it up for you.


Anything that the bible says that does not conform to reality as we know it is therefore a metaphor, parable, etc.  So, if you find any way in which the bible contradicts science, that means you're interpreting it wrong, because the bible cannot be wrong :-/

Thought I'd just save you the trouble.

Thanks, I'm already used to it, but you can't never know :^)

Have you guys resently read the new testiment? and which part did you guys find to not conform to reality?





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JRPGfan said:

Have you guys resently read the new testiment? and which part did you guys find to not conform to reality?

I haven't in 10+ years. No need to do it really, it's just a book written by people, no one is saying that everything there is a lie or doesn't/can't exist in reality.

It's a good fantasy story just like harry potter



JRPGfan said:
leyendax69 said:

Sorry but I don't understand what you meant here. As far as I know god created men to his image and resemblance, or that's what I heard.

Could you be more specific? what are those "lot" of misconceptions and what's open to interpretation? I don't think anything I said is false or my opinion, except the first part

Your thinking littarly in his image means god looks like us? sorry but no.

It could mean any number of things like we have free will, we re carbon based, we enjoy the same things. Maybe its that we have 2legs,2arms,ahead ect.

(and those things could be true for many life forms in the universe)

I think its silly to think god should looks like us.



 

Before monotheism, the concept of god was humanoid. Other religions had god or gods in their image and it was pretty literal.



RadiantDanceMachine said:

EDIT: *sound* reasoning entails that it not only follows proper form (valid) but the premises of the argument are actually true.


Neither reason nor rational depend on truth.

Rational depends on provability based on empirical evidence, knowing something is either true or false.

Reason is a superset of rational and depends on causal logic. It is totally reasonable to believe that a ghost picked up something and threw it across the room if you didn't have any knowledge of what other phenomena caused it. But its not rational you don't have evidence of ghosts.

truth is a matter of provability, whether it can be proven true or false. If faith is belief in something that cannot provably be determined than its not rational but not "unreasonable".

While we can empirically prove (i.e validity or lack thereof) of the effects of the supernatural, we do not yet have, and may never have, means to prove (either true or false) the existence of the supernatural.



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JRPGfan said:
JWeinCom said:

God made a lot more laws then the ten commandments.  If you believe that those are directly from god, I'm not sure why you think everything else the book claims god said or did doesn't count.

But, people at one time did believe it took seven days, and there are still peope who believe in a young earth, and Noah's ark.  And there are still tons and tons of people who believe that Jesus literally rose from the dead.

These things used to be taken at face value, but as science has gotten better and better, things that are impossible have been written off as metaphor.  And, if you want to read the bible as a metaphorical book, then fine.  But, there are MANY people who suggest that we, and our government, should take certain parts of the bible VERY literally, and live our lives and base our laws around it. 

Protestantism... basically all my life Ive been told the only thing that counts to any degree at all is whats in the new testiment.

The storys about jesus's teachings, nothing else is real. And even that is just accounts of storys about jesus life, written down by man.

Its open to interpretations.

The only thing thats from god are the 10 commandments (so Ive been told anyways).



If the only thing that counts is in the new testament, then why did we need Jesus?  Wasn't the point of Jesus to save us from original sin that happened in Genesis?  Wasn't the reason Jesus was supposedly the savior because he filled the mesainic prophecies?  Doesn't Jesus claim that "not a jot or tittle" of the law should be changed?  Why does Jesus identify as a Jew if the old testament is irrelevant?   If he identifies as a jew then *he* has to accept the old testament, and if jesus accepts it, and jesus is god, isn't it true?  Why is Noah referenced by Peter, Luke, and Matthew?  Doesn't the bible say (timothy 3:16) that all scripture is divinely inspired by god?

The new testament doesn't work without the old one.  It just doesn't make sense.

And you keep saying "what you've been told".  Why are you basing your beliefs on what you've been told?  Read the books.  Read the defenses of it and the criticism of it.  Then decide.

As for parts of the new testament that don't conform to reality, we can start with virgins giving birth with no semen, the dead rising, and life beyond the death of the brain.



I believe aliens have visited earth in the past. There is evidence of that, though because there is no reputable record of it, it is subject to debate.

I believe that what we refer to as a soul remains when our bodies expire. There is a lot of debatable evidence concerning this, but as far as the law is concerned? There are places legally considered haunted, so legally yeah.



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